Player Features and Ideas Discussion

yes because in that case they made the decision that the engine changes were the way to go

are you incapable of understanding that different problems may have different solutions, i dislike the spaceaids solution but this is a dumb response

they're not going to reimburse anything

they have no reason to do so

hell, as a supercap haver myself, i know that when they are eventually castrated, i will receive no compensation and the very idea will be the butt of jokes for years to come

this is a bargain one implicitly accepts when chasing the fotm

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Let's look at this from the code perspective.

-A redeploy timer on each drone adds one more thing for the server to remember. Now, remember the lag from TiDi battles? It is now worse.
-Scan res is already used to lock ships for drones. Increasing this delay means the server needs to do nothing new. No extra load, no extra lag.


Lets look at the redeploy from a drone pilot perspective.

-By focusing drones and preventing a redeploy for x seconds, all drone boats are useless for PvP, and the battleships/battlecruisers are now easy targets for frigates. Why? Because their dps from drones is now crippled if you recall drones to change out which you are deploying or because a drone is being focused.
-Is the delay triggered from one drone recall? Great, now I lose 25% to 20% damage because I'm recalling one drone to remove aggression on it, pvp or pve.


So, knock it off with the "redeployment timer" stuff. Think about the reprecussions of adding it in. No, recoding it won't fix it, because again, another variable to keep track of. The scan res fix is the best fix for a server optimization perspective. No new code, no extra lag, no nerfing of drone boats.



Now, let's look at why only fighters and fighter bombers are targeted in this nerf, specifically.

-Sentries, heavies, mediums, and lights have a fire rate of 4 seconds, lock time 2 seconds. Let's see you scoop and deploy in under 2 seconds. Which is the cut off point for any improvement in dps.

-A super or carrier sitting at 0 on a target will see a dps gain by scooping and redeploying, this isn't up for debate. General use scenarios aren't a factor in fixing an exploit. The majority of exploits are fixing edge cases, game or field notwithstanding.

-ECM drones do have an argument for being affected by the scan res fix as well, due to the 20 second cooldown. However, my thoughts are, if CCP is considering an ECM rebalance, why change the drones now and again later? The gains from redeploying ECM drones are much smaller than the gains of redeploying 150,000 alpha damage faster than intended.


If you want a more elegant fix than just doing scan res nerf, why not change Drone Damage Amps to a rate of fire bonus instead of flat damage? Higher boosted damage means less gains from redeploying, since the window for positive damage gains is much smaller. Also, as a happy coincidence, will nerf Ishtar volley damage. Everybody wins!

because there's loads of problems, who cares what you 'expect'

the correct thing to do is to prioritize scarce resources. once resources become infinite or time becomes infinite all problems will be addressed, until one of those happens fix the problems that get the best return on effort first

Or you just make Abandon/Scoop/Return to drone bay an overriding command that functions like "reloading" on other weapons platforms. Once you click abandon/scoop/return to drone bay you are locked out of issuing a command to your drones for 20 seconds.

*Return and Orbit will not start this timer.

Poof now you only have 1 timer to track, and it applied to all drones within that ship. No more spooky lag than reloading turrets cause.

and probably not that much to code...**** they managed to make 3 different "jump to beacon options" give everyone 2 timers im sure they can take 3 inputs and generate one timer.

Maybe they can't, but they should.

Here is even a message you can display

"The Drone Bay will be cleared in approximately 20 seconds"

Why not? Also where did CCP say this, or are you just assuming this?
Sure you aren't going to get the DPS benefit, but since this change is also attempting to nip server load in the bud, 1000 dudes deploying and scooping drones in subcaps repeatedly is going to also cause a lot of server load.

Not to mention it still leaves my ECM drones capable of being scooped and deployed until I get a jam cycle.

Or this.

this is the sort of intelligent thinking that creates actually useful solutions

question would be if you'd break ewar drones (really ecm drones, the rest might as well not exist) which is sort of a code issue