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I want ISK Titan Smash! 3rd January 2015 - TIME CHANGED TO 7PM!!!

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Dark Flare
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#101 - 2015-01-06 18:07:50 UTC
I know you acknowledge at the start of your post that this isn't your usual fare, but you got a few things wrong.

I'm also surprised your fleets weren't advertised? Would've made them a lot easier to join. Anyway.

We were nowhere near the largest group on field.
We didn't "take the kill for ourselves". We killed the Titan because nobody else did. All the other fleets retreated, so what were our options at that point? We started to attack the Titan, and invited people to come back to try to get the killing blow. Which is something that is pretty much random, there's no way to guarantee it. There were still ~1200-1400 people in local at this point.

We certainly didn't know about it weeks ahead. As far as I know, very few people reshipped without warping off. It's difficult to reship from a carrier with tidi that bad, and it's very risky to try it as often you'll be nowhere near the carrier and in an expensive pod.

I would like to hear a reasonable suggestion of what should have been done differently.

Kings of Lowsec
Mochalatte
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#102 - 2015-01-06 18:08:12 UTC
Mr Spaxi wrote:

I'm just going to disagree with you here. As a member of a corporation whose CEO is said Nashh Kadavr, the information we were provided before the event was 'the titan will die, no matter who has to kill it in the end'.

We weren't going to keep a titan to ourselves. We're one of the few remaining piracy corps, we do not need a titan to whoop other peoples' asses.



Fair play then. You see I could only gather the intel I had in my channels. Some of that as we all know is disinformation. I know for awhile iwantisk was trying to figure out what happened and what they were going to do after everyone was gone besides the defensive fleet. I even heard "maybe we will have to host another event with different rules so the titan dies" and then after some prodding on twitch chat, you hear, the titan is going down guys. It just seemed like someone stepped in and said "this thing has to die". Sorry for putting bad information out there or even pointing in that direction when it might not have been the case.
DJWiggles
Eve Radio Corporation
#103 - 2015-01-06 18:13:11 UTC
I Want ISK wrote:
DJWiggles wrote:
Both Nashh and Bobmon were on the show to talk about this and the backlash that happened in the media Enjoy
Some Sperg

Nope never met you before but they way you have treated this is horrid and despicable in every way possible

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Mochalatte
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#104 - 2015-01-06 18:13:41 UTC
Dark Flare wrote:
I know you acknowledge at the start of your post that this isn't your usual fare, but you got a few things wrong.

I'm also surprised your fleets weren't advertised? Would've made them a lot easier to join. Anyway.

We were nowhere near the largest group on field.
We didn't "take the kill for ourselves". We killed the Titan because nobody else did. All the other fleets retreated, so what were our options at that point? We started to attack the Titan, and invited people to come back to try to get the killing blow. Which is something that is pretty much random, there's no way to guarantee it. There were still ~1200-1400 people in local at this point.

We certainly didn't know about it weeks ahead. As far as I know, very few people reshipped without warping off. It's difficult to reship from a carrier with tidi that bad, and it's very risky to try it as often you'll be nowhere near the carrier and in an expensive pod.

I would like to hear a reasonable suggestion of what should have been done differently.


I was surprised myself at the way things went in fleet channels. I really think it was an "oh ****" moment for the FC's. They had more navy apocs that they thought would attend all together (said by fc in coms). It was a mess, how they kept it together is awesome.

I hear you and I don't know if anyone knew at that point what to do. You guys had an awesome defense and prepared very well. My issue with you inviting everyone back to the field to "get in on the kill" was that I warped back.. in my noobie ship to get on that kill.. I was killed and the podded off the field. So, maybe I was very unlucky or just had a target as I was RvB?
Dark Flare
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#105 - 2015-01-06 18:17:40 UTC
Can't answer that I'm afraid, looks like your Velator was killed by people who weren't us. Pod was by Shadow Cartel, but pods generally get volleyed off field in lowsec, just kinda how it is.

Kings of Lowsec
DJWiggles
Eve Radio Corporation
#106 - 2015-01-06 18:21:49 UTC
Eldwinn wrote:
Does I want isk even play this game anymore or do they just collect pay checks from RMT'ing? There was some mentions of us showing up to the event with no guns equipped. It is pretty clear your expectations are unrealistic and slightly ********.

To add, a majority of the fleet had no clue where the titan was until the last minute. A select few knew. Also to add in 4hours sitting on grid shooting you tend to move cyno alts and scan down wormhole chains to reship those who lost their ships. The intel gathered from other groups was done through spying and scouting.


I don't "play" eve but I do a fair bit for the greater community etc with eve-radio and totaleve.com and IRL meet ups etc

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Dark Flare
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#107 - 2015-01-06 18:23:15 UTC
DJWiggles wrote:
Eldwinn wrote:
Does I want isk even play this game anymore or do they just collect pay checks from RMT'ing? There was some mentions of us showing up to the event with no guns equipped. It is pretty clear your expectations are unrealistic and slightly ********.

To add, a majority of the fleet had no clue where the titan was until the last minute. A select few knew. Also to add in 4hours sitting on grid shooting you tend to move cyno alts and scan down wormhole chains to reship those who lost their ships. The intel gathered from other groups was done through spying and scouting.


I don't "play" eve but I do a fair bit for the greater community etc with eve-radio and totaleve.com and IRL meet ups etc


Posted with wrong account? :O

Kings of Lowsec
DJWiggles
Eve Radio Corporation
#108 - 2015-01-06 18:26:07 UTC
Dark Flare wrote:
DJWiggles wrote:
Eldwinn wrote:
Does I want isk even play this game anymore or do they just collect pay checks from RMT'ing? There was some mentions of us showing up to the event with no guns equipped. It is pretty clear your expectations are unrealistic and slightly ********.

To add, a majority of the fleet had no clue where the titan was until the last minute. A select few knew. Also to add in 4hours sitting on grid shooting you tend to move cyno alts and scan down wormhole chains to reship those who lost their ships. The intel gathered from other groups was done through spying and scouting.


I don't "play" eve but I do a fair bit for the greater community etc with eve-radio and totaleve.com and IRL meet ups etc


Posted with wrong account? :O


Nope ... this is my main account, I do have a 150M+ SP toon who I use if I want to do stuff in eve but for me personally the game is more for to comment on and be a part of the community than it is to play, hence what I do and how I do it

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Dark Flare
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#109 - 2015-01-06 18:26:44 UTC
DJWiggles wrote:
Dark Flare wrote:
DJWiggles wrote:
Eldwinn wrote:
Does I want isk even play this game anymore or do they just collect pay checks from RMT'ing? There was some mentions of us showing up to the event with no guns equipped. It is pretty clear your expectations are unrealistic and slightly ********.

To add, a majority of the fleet had no clue where the titan was until the last minute. A select few knew. Also to add in 4hours sitting on grid shooting you tend to move cyno alts and scan down wormhole chains to reship those who lost their ships. The intel gathered from other groups was done through spying and scouting.


I don't "play" eve but I do a fair bit for the greater community etc with eve-radio and totaleve.com and IRL meet ups etc


Posted with wrong account? :O


Nope ... this is my main account, I do have a 150M+ SP toon who I use if I want to do stuff in eve but for me personally the game is more for to comment on and be a part of the community than it is to play, hence what I do and how I do it

The dude asked if Iwantisk plays and you responded with "I don't but"...

As if you were IWantISK...

Kings of Lowsec
DJWiggles
Eve Radio Corporation
#110 - 2015-01-06 18:27:30 UTC
On Eve-Radio tonight Dirk Macgirk will have some more views on this so tune in from 00:00 GMT Wednesday 7th Jan 2015 to hear it, I will also put a podcast of it out after.

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DJWiggles
Eve Radio Corporation
#111 - 2015-01-06 18:29:19 UTC
Dark Flare wrote:
DJWiggles wrote:
Dark Flare wrote:
DJWiggles wrote:
Eldwinn wrote:
Does I want isk even play this game anymore or do they just collect pay checks from RMT'ing? There was some mentions of us showing up to the event with no guns equipped. It is pretty clear your expectations are unrealistic and slightly ********.

To add, a majority of the fleet had no clue where the titan was until the last minute. A select few knew. Also to add in 4hours sitting on grid shooting you tend to move cyno alts and scan down wormhole chains to reship those who lost their ships. The intel gathered from other groups was done through spying and scouting.


I don't "play" eve but I do a fair bit for the greater community etc with eve-radio and totaleve.com and IRL meet ups etc


Posted with wrong account? :O


Nope ... this is my main account, I do have a 150M+ SP toon who I use if I want to do stuff in eve but for me personally the game is more for to comment on and be a part of the community than it is to play, hence what I do and how I do it

The dude asked if Iwantisk plays and you responded with "I don't but"...

As if you were IWantISK...



That is me being blond and not reading the post before typing a response ;). its been a long work week and its only Tuesday damn it

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W0wbagger
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#112 - 2015-01-06 19:24:40 UTC
The reaction from i want isk is literally astounding and appears to be a simple attempt to get out of sponsorship commitments? Seems like nash made a good decision or they would just be removing sponsorship if the burgers were too hot at the event or something.

Surely we can all agree that without a defence fleet, the event would have been ****, or more likely, farmed by the rvb/spectre fleet and then the titan killed, instead everyone got an epic fight, with all sides losing and getting kills.

Instead, after not specifying any rules, and not running the event, the sponsor is now annoyed that, the defence fleet had offensive modules- well apologies for trying to provide some content, and putting probably 3x what that titan was worth on the line, in addition to a couple hundred million SP in potential T3 losses. The reaction literally makes no sense and appears to come from someone with grossly unrealistic expectations on how events work in eve, and also what pvp is.

We were frankly amazed to come out on top after the fight, we certainly didnt expect any prize (maybe a few people in fleet were unhappy about that but they don't speak for us)
At the end of it we could have continued farming the rest of the 100s of people on grid but instead basically said, the pvp is over, and invited everyone in local (including spectre/rvb) to come and shoot the titan - anyone of the 800+ on grid could have got the KM but it happened to be one of our guys - sh1t happens.

Some people in our fleet wanted to get the titan out and save the isk but they were rightly shot down by nassh - the event was billed as a titan smash, the titan had to die, 100s of players had some to see a titan for the first time etc, so we helped it along with the rest of local


PS for anyon who is interested, we staged exactly 0 spare ships in the system, everything was brought in via cyno from sujarento, or via 2 wormholes via derelik from aeschee, while the fight was going on, by some great multi taskers, made easier because of the 10% tidi (too more than 10 mins to warp a carrier onto grid from the station)

If you have any questions, feel free to ask or mail me in here, as for I want isk and EVE_nt, honestly by the conduct i've witnessed in here from iwantisk, including going back on statements multiple times, and a complete disregard of opinions from people who were ACTUALLY THERE, I think EVE_nt will be better for the lack of them. Additionally the whole debacle makes me doubt the legitimacy of their service itself.
Doomchinchilla
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#113 - 2015-01-06 19:26:39 UTC
Holy crap. I honestly can't even believe there is still drama about this. I may dislike or be unhappy with alot of the people that participated in this. Honestly I should be chuckling at the drama around this because of the way my alliance was or more specifically wasn't involved. But personal grudges aside, Nash is a great guy and doesn't deserve this drama. I could have sworn this was worked out between Iwantisk and Nash.

It really feels stubborn at this point. I feel it's short sighted of them to have withdrawn sponsorship from Nash purely because of the way it was handled (PS, I'll take the isk if you want to give it to someone still :P) In my eyes, you got publicity. I would hope we can all be bigger people and realize that there were mistakes made on both sides, but something can still be salvaged from this and people can walk away smiling.


Not me, **** all of them. But Nash... Nash is an alright guy.
Dradis Aulmais
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#114 - 2015-01-06 19:32:15 UTC
My 2 isk

Who am I? Nobody a tiny blimp on your overview

The fight ? Fun

The kill? questionable in my option but then see the above

What I'm doing about it ? Nothing closed my I want isk account and moved on to the next thing Eve cuz in the end **** happens so go PEW PEW and look for the next kill

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Mochalatte
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#115 - 2015-01-06 20:27:03 UTC
I think one things that some are saying is very true in this situation.

I think a few things were done, that hind sight provided, or another event would be done differently by all parties involved. I think it would be nice if maybe one of the hosts recognized that some people weren't happy. Not understanding the other side of the story at all (which most posting from host (side)is just straight defense, no acceptance)is as bad as what iwantisk is doing.

I think this was great content in EVE, even the story coming from it.. the drama, the suspense and the down right fervor to defends one's actions in a space game. Is that not why we play this game? Space feelings get crushed everyday. This event was something, lets not cheapen it by taking it so far from what it was. It was awesome.

I would hope that iwantisk takes this to thought. The event was a success, as you have said it just ended different than you wanted. No one blames you for that, heck I don't even blame the hosts for that. They could of behaved differently, tried to play it story line more.. but maybe as pvpers their **** just kicked into auto battle mode and after the dust settled it was a "oh ****" where is everyone?! I think having other allies out of the groups was a bit much, but I have already stated what I thought about things.

Let me sum it up this way.. if there was another iwantisk/nash event hosted tomorrow to kill a Titan you can bet I will be there. Does that mean it was perfect, nope, but hopefully both sides can see each side of the coin.

I got in on the kill, but also saw the feelings of others live during the event and can understand their feelings. Being new to this, I could only express what I experienced.
ChYph3r
Omni Defense Corp.
#116 - 2015-01-06 23:38:37 UTC
I dont blame IWANTISK for not paying the defense fleet player that got the final blow. However, You could have gone down the list to the top damage guy who was not in the defense fleet and paid him. For not thinking of alternative solutions to make one very happy pilot in the game. Iwantisk, this is for you http://a1.img.mobypicture.com/811000ac3d7fa3d7c2b556ddd989b4b6_view.jpg , you have earned it.

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Dradis Aulmais
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#117 - 2015-01-07 02:56:16 UTC
ChYph3r wrote:
I dont blame IWANTISK for not paying the defense fleet player that got the final blow. However, You could have gone down the list to the top damage guy who was not in the defense fleet and paid him. For not thinking of alternative solutions to make one very happy pilot in the game. Iwantisk, this is for you http://a1.img.mobypicture.com/811000ac3d7fa3d7c2b556ddd989b4b6_view.jpg , you have earned it.


But they did pay the top damage not it the defense fleet

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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#118 - 2015-01-07 08:20:53 UTC
Nashh Kadavr wrote:
In the early hours of this morning I was served with the ultimatum to apologize publicly or lose the I Want Isk sponsorship for #EVE_NT. I could but won’t post the related chat log as I do not think it would be appropriate.

As I refuse to publicly (or privately) apologize for what was a successful in-game event all participation by I Want Isk has now officially been removed.

There is the matter of 100 billion isk that has been sent to me as part of the prize fund for #EVE_NT that has been requested back from I Want Isk. My conversation this morning ended with me explaining I will consider this, however I am in no position until later tonight (I am at work) to send this back. I Want Isk have therefore taken the stance that I have refused to send back this isk.

This is simply not true, but as they have already slandered my name regardless; now I do refuse to send back the isk. It doesn’t feel right to use this isk as prizes at #EVE_NT as it would still be related to I Want Isk and that just doesn’t seem appropriate. I will not be keeping this for myself; instead I have sent it to Chribba to hold on to until the next PLEX-for-good campaign and I will donate the full amount to charity.
Posting to confirm that I have received the 100b and will be held and kept for use at a future PLEX for Good event held by CCP.

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Jevatoxa
Amandla Legion
#119 - 2015-01-07 08:48:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Jevatoxa
I Want ISK wrote:
I love everyone =] <3
I am upset. I will express how I feel.
Sorry you don't like it.
No insults are being exchanged.


Why are you upset? The vast majority of people who were there, including me, are telling you it was a great event! You're making the organizers look much worse by crying about it now than if you'd just accept that almost all of us had a fun, adrenaline-filled few hours. Who cares about a few 'I tought it waz fwee titanz killz' carebear tears from a tiny minority?

October's Mishka Chinoise Nyx event in Ostingele was similar (albeit on a smaller scale). Then, as now, it was as much fun shooting at and trying to stay alive against others; in Ostingele, it was the CFC, PL and Brave providing the extra content for us NPSIers. Again, the defence and third party fleets gave us a boatload of kills, including capital kills, that we wouldn't have otherwise had.

I'll say it again: well done for a fun night that was enriched by the presence of the well co-ordinated and disciplined defence fleet. Well done also to the defence fleet for giving us more stuff to shoot at and adding to the drama.

Your event was a success! Just enjoy the fact that you created a great night for everyone, made better by the other content creators.
DJWiggles
Eve Radio Corporation
#120 - 2015-01-07 09:15:02 UTC
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