Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I agree. The reward for ganking in high-sec should be removed.

So from now on, freighters should be treated as every other capital ship and prevented from taking high-sec gates.

Calling it, troll post.

Follow up to OP suggestion, add back skill point loss with no med clones and no pods (ship explodes, you lose skill points forcing you to fight harder to win...will you pull the trigger while holding the gun to your head in a gank?) while removing a couple of guns from destroyers; at least get the riskless dudes hiding under CONCORD's skirt to buy something bigger (cruiser or BC ganking doesn't really bother me so much). Freighters also need more hitpoints (not for their protection, hell make CONCORD response longer if you want), remove their module and rig slots, and reduce the cargo capacity more....now it wouldn't be so worthwhile to gank for lulz, cost more in terms of isk and skill points, increase the risk, force freighter pilots to make even more trips, miners mine more (even more targets, but CCP should just feck them over and reduce reprocessing down to 25% after all skills/implants). Oh yeah, this would make EVE more hardcore....would love to see how many would stick around in this version

Ganking is beautifully balanced, with the exception of faction police. Don't touch my ganking unless you're removing that.

Ganking is already against Concord's rules. What more do you want?

You want to remove the reward for ganking? Don't carry the rewards and/or don't cry the tears.

Problem solved.

Concord should kill anyone who opens fire in high sec be they NPC or player. We must end this perpetual war between bears and rats in civilised space.

Calling it, troll post.

Even if you're at the PC, gank is still completely unavoidable. A whole mining OP will be completely disrupted by a single clueless cracko in a destroyer. Ganking has been buffed quite a number of times in 2011-2013 - tags for sec, large guns bc's, removal of gravimetric sigs, etc - which enabled it to be done by lowest lifeforms we have in EVE.

AFK or not, no matter what, if you need to pass Uedama, you will be ganked. Nothing can prevent it. And don't give me that stupid "web your hauler" snafu, your webber will be instapopped by a tornado, and then they proceed to bump your hauler into oblivion, should it be worth it . Even though, due to recent hauler meganerf, it's harder to make it worth, it will be ganked for giggles anyway, because it's so retardedly easy to do.
AFK or not, your frigate will be smartbombed on Jita undock if you carry something which makes it worth the bomb.
AFK or not, single destroyer can ruin a whole mining OP, mining anywhere outside missions is now stupid.
AFK or not, all industrial ships are useless due to ganks, except maybe pathetic cargohold blockade runners.

I do not say "remove ganking", but there must be something done to remove the stupid ease of it. I don't know what, but at least reduction of CONCORD response time for multiple attackers, so they have to bring less ships of bigger value to do it, and can't just do it swarming the target with multiboxing catalysts, which even my dog can manage.
AFKers can be permaganked for all I care, but guys actively playing should be able to do at least something, except docking up and bleeding playtime and ISK every time a unicellular organism filling a destroyer decides to visit that system.

Interesting. I move billions of ISK through Uedama all the time and have yet to be ganked. I guess I'm doing something wrong.

Ganking in empire is an economic control. Lacking this the average bear isk making would face no risks whatsoever.


The wh'er makes their billions, then loses some in pvp or pve losses.
Not all 0.0 types print isk, some make their billions then lose some to pvp or pve if jumped. I lived paycheck to paycheck as it were myself quite a few times.


Ganking is empires case of a some players will lose some money here and there to keep that economic balance. Or as I like to call the sacrificial offering to the eve gods....they give you billions in isk, you give up some of that on the alter of pvp to appease them.

Or in my case (like others) the threat of gank alters how we play to reduce it happening or its impact. I for example favor a hard to find tengu setup for pve. Not an isk per hour monster. However....if by chance the day comes I see a new friend in my mission deadspace I do not have to wonder why they are there. As one does not max out skills, runs sisters gear and sisters virtue implants to vulture the wrecks I am making (what is needed to find my hard to find tengu. Day comes I see a new friend....I gtfo lol. He is the first of many I will see in my mission area. Take away from this story is to reduce gank I reduce my isk/hour.


Lacking that, watch the economy of eve get even worse. As then I'd run the ships that crap isk in missions. Or get sloppy in other areas of empire life. Some do this and don't get ranked even now. It be the people whose luck turns bad or do less than smart things who balance out the economy in some way imo.

Stupid? No

Troll? No

This Is a touchy subject that must be discussed.

Do I want to eliminate this type of behavior? No, I just want this degrading gesture is not rewarded and encouraged.

I play this game since 2007 and I have witnessed the deterioration of the game in highsec area.

My take on it, having been the AFK-Target of gankers (a very long time ago) and now the At-Keyboard-Target of gankers (at least daily in 0.0):

Make 1.0 to 0.8 security space Concord protected. Immediate retribution for any acts of violence that are not sanctioned and consensual - remove everything but the puniest of asteroids and lamest of level 1 missions.

Make 0.7 to 0.5 security space Faction protected. Slower response, just as powerful, and add faction-based security standings losses. Kill enough people in amarr, eventually the police get the idea and run you out of town, try your luck in Rens.

0.4 to 0.1 stays the same

let people have their "safe-zone." Just make it a single solar system or two per faction so that 20000 people are fighting each other over the 100k units of veld that system supports for the day.

Probably won't really change anything, but it makes people feel safe, right!