Player Features and Ideas Discussion

There is a problem in space and its called ganking.

the 20 seconds they get to do the job in a .5 is plenty of time to make the gank, Concord responds and kills their crappy T1 gank ship, then lets their pod get away. Gankers hang out in stations, untouchable, until their alt finds another target, where they repeat the exact same gank and repeat the process. It is mind boggling that a -10 character and their alt can continue to do this hundreds and hundreds of times. Whats really mind boggling is that the ganker and their alt continue to do this mind numbing activity over and over again.

gameplay in the form of ganking helpless ships is fun apparently for some. For those who get ganked its not so fun.

here is the issue. Ships cost isk, isk, at its roots, costs money. You wouldn't be there making isk if you hadn't paid money to get into the game.

gankers taking down your freighter or your retriever or whatever just cost you money in the form of isk. For the space rich its something you recover from and move on. for the space poor, it is frustrating and can easily lead to dropping your subscription and moving on to a game where people are not actively trying to destroy your space cash.

I read on the mittani today about a bowhead that was ganked by a solo player who used catalysts, shuttles and an orca to gank the bowhead. It was a clever use of the game mechanics to **** up someones brand new ship. hilarious, if you aren't the bowhead pilot. A bowhead is about 4 bil isk now? which is about 50-60 dollars. Who on this forum thinks throwing away 50 dollars is funny?
My numbers may be off due to market fluctuations, but I think my point stands. CCP is creating a space sim where your money is getting thrown away for ganker giggles. Is that a game worth playing? Im having some real second thoughts about it.

CCP already does.

You forgot that ganking is torture, e-thuggery, cyberbullying, slavery and stuff.

I'm all for ganking. I've even dropped a few mission boats operating out of Apanake. Figuring out how to make it profitable was a fun math problem to work on for a few weeks. We only had a few guys and we weren't always successful.

Not always being successful brings me to my point. A hard -10 up through a -5 should have some chance of getting popped by concord when travelling though high sec. The hard -10 guys that spend all day in HS in cats or thrashers with zero chance of being popped by concord until they gank someone is unbalanced.

I'm not saying they shouldn't be allowed to do it. I'm saying there should always be a reasonable chance that concord wonks them before they gank someone. There should be consequences to be flashy red - I suppose I'm saying there should be one more consequence.

You shouldn't be flashy red AND be able to fly around HS in a ship w/ guns 100% of the time. There should be no ship fit that allows you to have 100% chance to get that gank off.

There should be no thrasher fit that lets a flashy pilot fly around ALL DAY LONG w/out getting concorded. I don't care what the percent chance per stop is, but there should be some chance they get concorded.

My examples:

Mean Marty (sec status -10) warps back and forth between gates in Bearville (sec status 1.0) looking to gank a pod w/ his thrasher. There should be some percent chance that he gets nabbed by concord every time he comes out of warp. Let's say 10%. So in theory he can undock and warp between the gates 5 rounds (on average) befor concord pops him. If he's unlucky he gets whacked when he undocks and if he's super lucky he can get more than 5 round trips.

Ganker Gary (sec status -10) does the same thing in Dangerville (sec status 0.5). His thrasher has only a 5% chance of getting nabbed by concord. The lower true sec raises his survivability time.


I think the problem folks have w/ ganking (excluding 'he blew up my stuff') is that flashy red guys can fly around all day, and if they take some minimal precautions are pretty much safe from concord consequences until they engage in ganking someone. Add a small percent chance that concord can apprehend the flashy red ganker BEFORE they get the gank off.

This percentage chance of concord doing their job should satisfy everyone. Gankers lose their thrasher immunity. You just have to add 1 addition thrasher for every 10 you are using now to account for it, so it's not a huge change in the math to success. It's a simple die roll in the programming to see if they make it before getting into warp.

If you gank in a bigger ship, your chance of concord intervening goes up. Move from thasher to a thorax then concord's odds go up from 10% to maybe 15% or 20%. All this would be easily scalable based on shiptype and system truesec. Easy balancing for CCP to get the right numbers.

This activity being very lucrative, CCP encourages indirectly the ganking. And I have as proof : the proliferation of corporations and alliances which behaviors of terrorists (gank) and mafia rules (Extortion) in highsec.

And if you look the killboard of these corporations and alliances, the big majority of vessels that are destroyed are vessels used by new player (Example : Retriever). It is very welcoming for our new players!

And if CCP already does how do you explain the proliferation of this degrading behavior ?

Fly safe!

Hello,

lol, I like little comic! You are the reason why I am making this request because you can not distinguish between right and wrong.

If I remember in 2007, we had no problems. An industrial could do his job without too much risk in Highsec.
After this, once a year, the goon alliance who was bored in 0.0 had come to pew pew in highsec. They called this event Hulkaguedon. Thereafter, it was bumping is appeared. And recently ganking appear and now these gankers want isk (extorsion, you know?).

Currently all the risks are on the side of the miner and industrial.

We are very very far from the miner mine AFK!!!!

Its a pretty simple equation, very similar to slots, with the odds being fixed, but the jackpot and cost to enter set by the hauler.

You set the cost by how you tank your ship. The cost is equal to the minimum number of ships needed to gank you, of the most cost effective type. Most gankers end up paying a slight premium for some cruisers or battlecruisers in the case of freighters.

The reward is set by what you carry and your killmail, especially if they get their own loot back.

Set it up so you aren't a good bet, and you are usually safe. Set up routes so you go around places where they are already set up for it, or use a durable webber (instalock, armor tanked loki with the web subsystem and trip webs FTW)

On second thought (and all kidding aside), thread locked as this is neither a proposal for a new feature or a new idea.

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