Market Discussions

I see what you are saying now.

Well my problem with Plex is multi-faceted and stems from two problems, one the demand is dropping as the player base becomes "younger" and new accounts buy old ones which requires Isk. Demand is dropping because subscription numbers are taking a beating and have been naturally declining for 3.5 years.

But two, my problem is also that while the argument that Plex has utility as game time is valid on its face, when one looks at the history of CCP and the decisions as of late, I wouldn't put much stock into anything being the same in 6 months as it is today. Look at the mutlibox rule changes, team industry reversal, the sudden inclusion of dual skill training, training itself was massively changed and of course the GTC change which was huge and was game altering.

And last like you said the supply cannot be controlled. Realize it would only take one Eve player winning the lottery, or inheiriting a lot of money to crash the market down to 0. 3600 buy orders up today, 4000 sell orders. If someone had say 50k euro they could sell to every buy order and leave 4000 units to trickle through the next few weeks in an already over supplied market.

The only sound reason for why Plex has "always gone up" is that the economy worldwide was in shambles when they released it and continued to stagnate along with massive inflation in the game from WH's and Incursions. If CCP were to nerf Incursions or WH's the value of isk would start to tighten again, Economics 101. If the global economy continues to improve like it already has in the US and Canada and Australia, then people will have disposable income for Plex again and your oversupply starts to become a real problem.

Anyways, Plex is being propped up by another valiant effort tonight @770 with several large buy orders... those will be filled by morning :) Crash continues

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Do you have any idea how many multiboxers there are (note that the rule changes are still not in effect), that teams are being removed because no one used them, that dual character training probably increased PLEX demand and what GTC change that was huge and game altering? The one that put out of game GTCs sold for ISK in game as PLEX and still sold for ISK?



Can you control the supply or utility of any item in the game? Also I've heard that we've already had an aluminium magnate fund his alliance via PLEX.



[citation needed] According to Dr. Eyjo, the EVE economy is in slight deflation.

You've just made unsubstantiated claims, most likely pulled out of your arse.

I'm just here to make ISK, whether that's through PLEX or otherwise (my investments are more diverse than just PLEX) and so far I'm doing okay. If PLEX goes down, that just means Fanfest and EVE Vegas are cheaper for me. You're the one with a vendetta against PLEX and shouting random things.

You said inflation, Eyjo said deflation, now you say stagnation.

General Economy = Stagflation
Certain areas pertinent to this discusion = ... guess for yourself

I personally couldn't care less what Eyjo said except that he confirmed that CCP intervene's in Plex prices by seeding the market with confiscated Plex... hence even more reason not to use it as an Isk Park.

And if you truly believe the game is experiencing Deflation the LAST place you want to park your isk is in an item, you want to park it liquid.

900 incoming!

Sunday has more players log in and therefore more demand. I was expecting demand stripped so far down that it woudn't matter. Expect a fall throughout the week, especially on holiday.

Also outside of Jita (hubs) the true price of plex is still being reflected down faster.

Also there was that little problem where some RMT got blown up in a rookie ship with 86 plex in his hold and of course not one of them dropped. (Tin Foil)


There does seem to be a huge disconnect between sellers and buyers at the moment. On two different Incursion group channels last night and the night before the discussion of massive Plex price drops was the consensus and these are the people that can most afford it. The Buyers feel the market needs strong downwards correction and the sellers think it is their god given right to prop the price up. This is resulting in some hilarious margins throughout the day and hub price discrepancies of funny levels.

lets see toad wiggle out of this one.

I still haven't figured out yet WHAT he is trying to wiggle exactly.... If I had to make a guess I'd say he's basicly a PLEX hater. If he hates them out of principle (some PPL do) or that he just hates ppl making isk off of them I dunno...

He also made a case out of ANYTHING being a bad idea to invest in cuz of 'everything could change!1!!!11one!' (which I'm sure the average trader/invester is quite aware of and keeps his eggs in several baskets) and whatnot....

OT: jita price seems to be settling nicely above 800. If this upward trend is not followed by a renewed downward trend soon the 'Great PLEX Price Crash of Fall 2014' will not have been a great crash at all and will go down in history as a correction, a rather big correction in PLEX history but just a correction nontheless.


Interesting historical price comparison on X-mas PLEX price: http://nosygamer.blogspot.nl/2014/12/a-quick-history-of-christmas-plex-prices.html

Yep I did mistype that one time, The quoted post, the quoted post when I responded, the initial post all were stagnation.

Anyways, does this detract from the fact that Jita is lone prop up of the cost of Plex? All of Eve just dropped to 771 again, so the attempt to holdup the price is starting to crumble.


There are some very wealthy people trying to keep this price up. I think they just don't like me

Anyways, I am signing off, too much hate and I don't benefit from voicing my opinion. And that is all this is, opinion. No one knows the future.

What did you discover Matlock?

I said it before. Isk supply is inflated, massively. Prices have been stagnant.... Plex is not a normal Eve commodity. Plex is injected from outside the game, the rest of the items are from inside the game.

So again, what would you like to show the Jury as exhibit A?