Crime & Punishment

So where in this thread did I rush to the defense of people making threats?
I made a simple comparison of the stereotyping of various player groups ingame.

What in the actual **** is wrong with you?

No, saying something akin to "nyah nyah I won" does not, in any way, equate to telling someone else to kill themselves, or threaten to assault their family. Nor does the former justify the latter.

For you to even have said such a thing is ******* disgusting.

Hey I'm not saying that threats and what not, are ok. What I'm saying is not ok are people provoking these kind of responses which is what CODE is out to do, then act like they've done nothing to contribute to the problem.

In response to the CONCORD part.
CONCORD does prevent one player being destroyed by another, not always 100% succesful though. This seems to be there to actively prevent the death of another player.

Highsec PVP is not permitted unless a wardec is in effect or both parties agree to a duel. This is true otherwise CONCORD would not respond at all. Don't know why you are trying to say otherwise.

I have never seen a bigger hypocrite than this guy.

And you know what else?

All the vitriol, the hatred, the unreasoning rage against gankers and PvP in this game does not come from us. We have not cultivated it in any way, merely adapted to it with amusement to cope with your sick attacks.

Where it really comes from is poor attitudes, poor sportsmanship and rabid risk aversion. It comes from the pigheaded refusal to recognize ganking for the legitimate activity that it is, the selfish refusal to recognize that another player has every right to shoot at you if he feels like it.

It's stupid, stupid rationalization that you use to whitewash away a loss in a videogame. And why some of you freaking people need to rationalize like this in a freaking game is beyond me. To me, it resembles nothing more than a mental illness.

Oh? Highsec PVP is permitted by who? CONCORD? Who is CONCORD to tell me what to do? Or any CODEdot member?

Yeah a new player mining barge gets blown up because it's anti-tanked. Is that somehow the Ganking players fault that the New-Bro doesn't know about ganking or tanking?

Or is it the corp he is it the corp he's apart of, fault for not explaining to him about D-scan, Gank ships, or how to properly tank a mining barge? Corps ARE the NPE right now. No amount of text will explain to a New-Bro what he needs to know. CODE would be far less effective if everyone wasn't worried about ISK per hour, or being able to watch some show on Netflixs while he let's his barge puff away.


Personally I say CODE does a service to the community by forcing out the stupid and willfully ignorant players from a game they shouldn't be playing, because in all honesty it's not the game for that type of person. EVE doesn't need a player that needs his hand held and every given moment and one that forever cries to be protected by his NPC 'Police' (Here's also a hint, CONCORD is not the police' they are more of a punisher type entity).

EVE needs the smart, tactile, players that learn. That want to be competitive and need to take risk. It needs players that want to have connections, build relationships and morph those relationships into powerful groups like CODE, the CFC, Pandemic, and many other large forces that shouldn't be messed around with.

If you are in EVE and you don't have you fingers in the pockets of other players. You doing it wrong. If you playing EVE and all you want to do is be left alone, you are doing it wrong. EVE is the most social game I've ever played. The Meta is so strong it's become it's own game mechanic.

Sure CODEdot has it's bunch of wee wee grable bunk. But so does every alice, corp and group. Personally I'm not a Ganker, I don't like the play style of it. But I think if you can have over 200 players in Highsec all go about and complete task with almost machine like efficiency you should find that a beautiful thing.

Whats ugly, is a bunch of whiners complaining about 'unfair' mechanics. Nothing in EVE is fair. Learn that quickly it's designed to be that way. You are given a choice. That choice decides how unfair it will be, weather in your favor or your opponent. The quicker New-Bros learn that. The quicker they will excel in the game.

What I find ugly and also weirdly amusing is the spouting off by some players about who should or should not be playing Eve. As if there is a section of the player base who clearly are not leet enough to be hanging out with the cool kids and should do everyone a favour and go back to their Xbox or take up WoW, because their continued ineptitude or play style makes their presence insufferable and brings shame to the Eve community. Maybe CCP need a new server and you and all the like minded folks can ask to be migrated there to play Eve Online Elite , in your own exclusive universe free of dullards and weaklings such as myself.
Last I checked , stupid and willfully ignorant players were still contributing the same amount to play the game as anyone else , and while they may not have your respect in game, they are doing their bit to keep the lights on at CCP.

I don't mind having stupid and willfully ignorant people playing Eve. I love them! They're the easiest ones, overall, to blow up. They're the type who thinks hisec is safe, no need to tank, etcetc.

In short, the willfully ignorant are fodder for my playstyle.

There is nothing wrong with "bad" players playing Eve. There is always going to be a wide range of skill levels of people playing the game including new players who are learning, casuals who don't care enough to learn, and those that have been playing for years but just lack the the natural aptitude to master the game mechanics. This is all fine and I have seen no-one here saying these people shouldn't be allowed to play the game. Even Valkin is just presenting the HTFU argument, not that new/bad/casuals should be banned from the game or anything.

The problem is when these players (or sometimes even "good" Eve players) come to to forums and lobby to have the game changed because they got blown up, or for changes to isolate them from the sandbox so they can make ISK easier. Many times they just do not understand that Eve is a single-shard sandbox and that all their actions are in direct competition with other players so are confused/angry when other players want to stop them from making ISK/gathering resources. Or, they somehow get the false impression that highsec is suppose to be safe (see the CONCORD comment above in this thread) and don't understand that the ability for criminals to operate there has been built into the game on purpose by CCP to make the game more interesting.

So by all means, play the game how you want - good or bad, AFK or at the keyboard, solo or in a group, as predator or prey. But just make sure to actually play the game instead of trying to change it to your notion of what the game should be. And for the record, there are plenty of "bad" players enforcing the Code - players that are just learning the game or are ganking for the first time. All are welcome in the New Order.

But this seems all way off-topic. Therefore to try to get this back on track, I will therefore say that Gorila is an example of someone who plays the game - he fought CODE. using in-game means to battle his opponents. He did not fight CODE. by coming to the forums arguing for faster CONCORD response or the like to "defeat" his opponents.

I see you are again trying to justify calls for RL violence over game play. It seems to be your way. Oh well, each to their own I guess.

They do not actively prevent PvP, or stop unauthorized PvP from happening. As seen by the fact it happens all the time.

They are a punishment and a balancing factor. They simply enforce greater risk in high sec.