Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You know, having somebody in your fleet with combat probes doesn't mean it needs to be an alt.
Right?

Okay, first major update just edited into the OP.

Major changes:

We're going to go with a lighter resist profile than originally described, setting all eight recons at the former combat recon resist profile. While we still like the goal of making them more fleet viable, their tank was one of their only stand-out weaknesses and we felt that removing it could make them oppressive at smaller scales. To compensate somewhat we've trimmed 5 more sig radius of each ship.

With the Pilgrim we decided to split the difference between neut range and strength by wrapping both into one bonus. The amounts will be smaller than either of the singular bonuses but this should do a nice job of giving more engagement range flexibility while still allowing for plenty of cap pressure.

We are going to move one high slot on the Lachesis to a low slot, making armor slightly more viable while still preserving room in the mids for damps as well as long range warp disruption. The damage potential for the Lach is still on par with other combat recons even without the fifth high so we feel this fits better than giving up a mid.

The Rook is getting a little more PG fitting room and trading the 5% HAM/HML rate of fire bonus for a 7.5% kinetic missile damage bonus. This is typical Kaalakiota bonus, gives the same number of effective launchers, and favors RLML over the rate of fire bonus.

Finally, I will say again that the directional scan immunity is staying, though we are very aware of concerns (especially concerning FW site abuse) and will watch closely to see how this new capability is used and make any necessary adjustments.

Have a great Christmas o/

We are disappointed too with having to pull back the resists for fleets. These ships just need that drawback to balance them at smaller scales where they are more likely to get used anyway.

We have T3 rebalance, black ops rebalance, and potential ewar module changes on the horizon to help address this as well.

We are disappointed too with having to pull back the resists for fleets. These ships just need that drawback to balance them at smaller scales where they are more likely to get used anyway.

We have T3 rebalance, black ops rebalance, and potential ewar module changes on the horizon to help address this as well.

Oh boy...

In order to fit a cov-ops cloak, Force Recons sacrifice a lot of combat utility compared to their Combat Recon counterparts. Likewise, covops T3s are restricted to a crappy subsystem in place of something actually useful.

Then there's the matter of getting decloaked on gates (and by anything within 2000m) on top of the targeting delay penalty. Something the new Jesus Recons won't have to deal with.

That's how it's balanced.

Let me clear up a few things for those people in this thread who clearly don't know too much about cloaky ships in EVE and their uses.

Stealth Bombers (and technically Black Ops which aren't cloaky-warpy) are the only ships to not have a targeting delay when you decloak to point someone.

That means all T3 cruisers and Force Recons (and Cov Ops) have at best a 5 second (with T2 Cov Ops Cloak) targetting delay after decloaking, meaning that agile and awake targets usually get away from them. Hence people using Stealth Bombers with Rockets or Small Turrets to gank exploration frigates.

However, since Combat Recons don't need a cloak to hide from DSCAN they can appear on grid from out of nowhere and point the target without worry of any targeting delay because they were never cloaked in the first place, and since they aren't a cloaky ship, they are a full combat strength ship, not a nerfed down combat ship to allow for the cloak.

I'm posting this mainly for informational purposes, because it's clear from reading a few posts in this thread that some people don't actually understand these details, and why a combat recon that is immune to DSCAN becomes a lot more powerful than its cloaky counterpart.
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Fang

cant see why without tech II resist i would use a lach over a celestis for a fleet fight.