Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I think I mentioned it earlier, but this will break the freestyle solo/micro roaming in medium plexes the way it currently exists. The workarounds to counter the recon threat are simply too laborous, and most people simply will not bother. I know I won't. This will push FW meta even more strongly to frigs, which is an unfortunate and most likely unconsidered side effect.

Another ill-considered side effect is that increased EWAR flying around also buffs the Ishtar.

However I was referring to catching bears, and nothing really changes for them.

On the other hand, combat recons will also create new tactics for system pushing fleets, so it's not all bad. Furthermore outside FW plex roaming, new combat recons offer very interesting new tools for PVP.

wow.. just wow. So many who are unwilling to adapt. To those talking about exploration sites, what is the difference here between a cloaked rapier/prot sitting on your gate, compared to a combat recon? Cloaked rapier/prot see's you coming on short range d-scan, uncloaks and waits for your to land. Or see's probes out, on the exploration site he's camping, waits till they disappear and then decloaks shortly after. You warp in and boom, recon sitting on gate, ready to blap you.

This is no different. You see local go +1, and you keep checking dscan for probes. Since, if you're running a exploration site, they will have to probe you down as well. Unless they pre-probed the site, which in that case, shouldn't the person who spent a lot of effort get a reward? If you're unwilling to make sure your site is clear, and just barge in, then who's fault is that?

If they're already in system, and a combat recon is camping the site, maybe you should.. i don't know.. warp to the site at 100km and see if someone is camping the gate? And if you're in an exploration boat, carry combat probes w/ expanded launcher! You have the bonuses right there. You can scan the site before jumping in to make sure they aren't chilling in the site. Doesn't change the fact that there might be 100 cloaked falcons/rapiers/pilgrims/arazu's in there (since this thread is full of strawman).

Also, additional tools to consider:

Killboards - look up someone who is sitting in system and you can't find them on dscan. Do they have kills/losses with combat recons? If yes, assume they're in a recon and either leave, find a new site, or grab some friends to bait and kill them.

Common sense - don't barge into every site and expect safety, do your work with what you have available

combat probes - again, if you're in an exploration ship already, running sites, before you warp into a site, drop probes and do a quick scan at your site.

Those few options will have a major affect on adapting to this "issue". You will still run into the cloaked falcon/arazu/rapier/pilgrim from time to time, but that has been ongoing for quite awhile.

To be fair, you're on grid a good while "decelerating" before locking is a possibility.

We've all seen the reverse when a hostile warps in and you're mashing lock and getting nothing but "target is invulnerable" messages back until it's "out of warp".

Something small would get out, something bigger and fit for PvP should be equipped to punch it in the face. Curse is probably the most dangerous in this scenario.



People do seem fixated on the "victim" (the person warped to) though, as if there is no possibility of there being a curse or two waiting at the warp in point to give a would be pirate the good news. These will be glorious over/under/all around bait cynos


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It's not though, it's more powerful in a direct combat situation - in areas of space where you're hunting, laying in wait, traversing hostile space a cloak is infinitely superior. Dscan immunity rewards aggression, not hiding. The cloak rewards subterfuge, sneakiness.

They're different tools for different jobs and actually when I think about it split the recon line nicely.

The actual message is irrelevant, the point I was trying to get across as I'm sure you're well aware is you're on grid WELL before you can lock. As you know, you need to be down at ~1/3 speed before any action is remotely possible.

A more accurate message would be along the lines of interference from your warp. I'm going from memory and tbh the message text isn't something I care much about remembering verbatim so much as the mechanic.

You're nitpicking if that's all you've got tbh.

Ill be fitting 2 T2 hyperspacial velocity rigs to by ganking huggin. At 5au/s it should arrive on grid quite fast. With twin OH sebos it will lock very shortly after.

Some things will get away. Far less likely if they have their prop mod on.

Im not nitpicking, having flown in low sec for a while know i can tell you i will not be alone in abusing the hell out of this.

There are probably 3 dozen people at the moment who often run around in my area in smartbombing proteus. Riskless pvp is very appealing to a lot of people.

Agreed on the whole, I'm definitely looking forward to seeing how 3) pans out in WH space. I don't think it will be as simple as Recon gangs dying to standard T3 fleets, it'll depend on the comp from both sides I think. Mixed fleets of Recons and T3s are going to be awesome to see in action :D

pretty sure my 100mn ab dual web dual sebo huggin (speculative fit) can handle itself. If i dont like a particular cruiser i just make sure im flying with someone in a rook.

Gankbears paradise.

So, point is - the sky aint falling and your targets are confined to small stuff or bringing more ships.

Why is it not a problem for you to hunt with someone else but for others to have backup? Why do these niche weird fits survive camps - perhaps because they have been scouted - so again why can't other people scout?


All the arguments against this are pretty contrived/one rule for one set of players and another rule for others. Really are all boiling down to this:

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Your primary target type which you'll kill are just as killable today using rocket bombers. Last I checked the skies aren't raining dead covops.

Monday update - I'm working on a revised proposal but it's a bit slow going with everyone but me out of the office to visit their families (boring). Hopefully some new stuff for you guys soon.

Can you at least confirm if dscan immunity is staying or going in this pass (since it's literally all people seem to care about). Otherwise the feedback will be a bit haphazard.

I appreciate an earlier post said it's staying, but would be good to clear up.

Thanks