Player Features and Ideas Discussion

That is just one example of the serious problem with reward system in game. It is skewed completely.

Activities that are in dangerous locations and would benefit from a community must pay 2 times more than safe lone activities to be worth. But then anything that can be done by 2 average players can be done by a single high SP player with pimped setup ALONE. and then people will minmax it and do it alone


The only place were this has been partially corrected (And the result is great in community manteinance) is incursions. A reward system that pays per member, not per final result.

All activities should pay more or less like incursions. Otherwise minmaxing will ALWAYS result in people doing the activities alone.

Simple example of solution. Make ratting of all forms pay part of its income with LP (concord LP). MAke everyone in fleet get the LP based on a curve of results the fleet had on the time of the income tick. That means... would be good to have PVPERs in fleet with the PVer. While the PVE people make money the people patrolling is also making SOME money. If you try to do it alone, you will NOT make more, because you are not sharing that LP.. it should be added to each member of the fleet within the constellation.

I lived in lowsec and i know how pirates are ganking ships at explo sites. It will be way to easy with new recons.


Soooo friendly game mechanism to have scout on warp gate in combat site. We been there with loot bukkake, forcing team play when we don't want to team up. Every aspect of this game must force team play? It should not be easy to play solo but not impossible.

A lot of people seem to think this game is about their style of play only. And I have tried most of the styles (Currently pvp focused)

I assert that the Dscan Immunity is unhealthy for the game in general. For all styles of play.

Gankers think its paradise until their targets dry up.

PVE'rs who like to use small groups or solo find it an imbalance to risk/reward.

Solo and small gang pilots find it daunting to not even be able to gather intel without gimping their fit with an expanded probe launcher. (Especially in lowsec!)

I guess null fleets and the very large pvp groups might not be hurt... cause recons can only do so much to hurt them...

Think about it in terms of overall game health please before spouting that the rest of us who don't like the change are ignorant.

AND btw, it's a sandbox.... so maybe we shouldn't punish carebears and pve'rs for building their sandcastles just because they like a different layout...

Food for thought.

The day eve becomes one way to play is the day the sandbox dies. Punishing certain play types is the first and worst step toward this.

We're not, the assertion is that PvEers should be exposed to danger and moving their risk away from 100% safety is not a bad thing.

Destruction is the lifeblood of the game - if nothing blew up, the game wouldnt last 3 months. Industry: dead. Mining: Dead. Mission LP farming: Dead. Exploration loot: Dead. WH loot: Dead. Everything....dead.

The entire game feeds ships exploding. More of those make it better for everyone in the long run/bigger picture.

Even if sometimes it's inconvenient for the person exploding.

Oh boy...

In order to fit a cov-ops cloak, Force Recons sacrifice a lot of combat utility compared to their Combat Recon counterparts. Likewise, covops T3s are restricted to a crappy subsystem in place of something actually useful.

Then there's the matter of getting decloaked on gates (and by anything within 2000m) on top of the targeting delay penalty. Something the new Jesus Recons won't have to deal with.

That's how it's balanced.

Yea us too. But alas most people that are prepared to hunt in C5-C6s tend to know better. Also if someone was stupid enough to take us on in a combat site, pop an extra escalation and watch them die to sleepers while whoring on the kills. Getting your enemies killed by NPCs --priceless.

Max Velocity
PILGRIM = 198 (+34)
CURSE = 205 (+30)
FALCON = 192 (+23)
ROOK = 194 (+24)
ARAZU = 207 (+27)
LACHESIS = 220 (+29)
RAPIER = 230 (+38)
HUGINN = 240 (+31)

TALOS = 220!!!

Well at least matari T2 Cruisers are faster then non matari Battle Cruiser! Is it just me or there is really something wrong with that?

It's not impossible to play solo, a number of ships can just get away from a recon. If you're not prepared to jump into a recon, then that isn't really an issue which CCP should help you with.

What is the mechanic which makes the game impossible if you cannot see recons on dscan? Fight aligned? Fit appropriate tank to handle a recon or 2 (they're not HAC-level DPS)? Don't run a site with multiple neuts in local?

I disagree roime, a combat recon could easily be fit to be very hard to avoid and snag anything in a plex. Wheras a force recon might be seen entering system and will be seen on the gate so a conscientious capsuleer at least has some warning.

Lots of things could be used when you know your target is no threat.

Hyperspacial rigs to reduce time landing on grid. A pair of overheated sebos. And still enough mids and lows left over for ewar and tank.

Lach and huggin combos with a scout for gates (booster) could simply maraud around almost unchecked. Throw a rook and curse in there too, because, why not? Then you can fit nanos or damage mods instead of a tank.

Since you dont have any idea what to actually do with Pilgrim, please make it better armor tanker. More low slots, resist bonus or something like that.