Player Features and Ideas Discussion

If you are that bothered about perfect intel then you will get a ship with a probe launcher cpu reduction such as a T3 with Emergent Locus Analyser; or you can get a dedicated combat scanner in your fleet, after all they are great to have for locating targets off grid, finding combat boosters, and also with the side benefit of giving the newer players an incredibly useful job which doesn't have too much of a hefty skill requirement.

The more I think about it the more I am not concerned about the dscan immunity, and it gives a great reason to use combat recons in fleets. Good to see CCP shaking the game up.

Combat Recons = Heisenberg's Theory of Uncertainty

My favorite part of all this is how it will slow down the pace of PVP in LS. Cause if eve needs anything, its definitely slower paced PVP setup.




^^ also this, cause if there's another thing eve needs its more ships on field during fights. cause more ppl == GFs amirite?

exactly you get the point, they can do all the intel, spying and all that slow intel in SOV 0.0 but is not a good thing for FW space and WH space

Just curious... have you thought about secondary effects if, hypothetically, this does have the effect you describe?

I mean specifically what the reduced amount of minerals coming in to the economic system will be and do if the "farmers" you describe no longer farm.

Since you are back at goodposting will you give us a christmasgift and make a blogpost again?

The impact on the WH environment, FW, etc. was widely discussed so I guess there is not much to add.

But… (and it mostly applies to LS enviroment):

Although in some areas dscan immunity opens new dimensions for tactical solutions it obviously will be MOSTLY used by those who are afraid of direct confrontation and are engaging only when huge power advantage is on their side. I mean all sorts of gankers, campers and clocky killers who hunt in herds (herds, not fleets) for preferably much weaker casualties (casualties, not targets) .

It is sad that CCP adds another tool to support this without proper concern of avilable counter (should I fly with probe scanner on Slicer or dualbox with a scout for dessie fights?, come on, ridiculous...).

I started this game in 04/2014. The initial period was a nightmare cause it was not easy to understand mechanics, learn stuff etc. But somehow I survived and a I’m still worm…

I still remember that after I was killed for the 1st time in LS the assassin said “Watch d scan frequently.”
Thanks to his advice I’m still playing cause this was a CRUTIAL lesson of survival in EVE for a newbee (and for any pilot indeed). Efficient d scanning gave the ability to avoid the most of the traps (including the stated above) if the pilot was careful enough .

UNLIMITED (always and everywhere) d scan immunity cancels this basic rule.
So although the idea is very, very tempting in my opinion and has lots of pros, should we perhaps consider some, tiny, local, little… limitations ?… dear devs.

This will make low/null/wh exploration obsolete. I can understand the need for something that can't be seen for FW, but I bet more than half of the use will be to hunt explorers. The only way around it is to use one for exploration, except they are severely hindered as an exploration ship. Should have given this bonus to T3 ships as a subsystem.

Oh, I get your point, but I don't care. I am sure that when cruisers cost 600M, that Rise will come back and we'll see that Megacyte and Morphite will become available in HS.

Besides Rise has said that the feature is absolutely not going away...when someone puts their pride on the line like that they're not going to back down. Fear not industrialist, they'll put Megacyte and Morphite in HS (or some such other brilliant balance 'design' change) if that really becomes an issue. Your easy money is secure!

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This immunity to dscan for combat recons feels really op. Also, the changes to the pilgrim seems to have a lot of overlap with the curse. Imo the whole point of the pilgrim having no neut range bonus was because it could GET INTO range without being seen via cov ops cloak. Now that the curse can only be seen by combat probes or if its already on grid, that role of the "cloaky" neut boat seems to have been tossed out with the bathwater.

-1 for amarr recon redesign

As a side note, with this new curse, who would ever bother with say a neut legion in w space? Its more costly, not as effective, and must have the covert reconfig sub. Id rather not turn the curse into the end all be all neut ship. I mean, the thing was borderline op anyway without these changes.

The cap bonuses and speed bonuses across the board feel like a good idea though. Maybe not giving the cap bonuses to the amarr recons though and no speed bonuses to the minmatar. And maybe nerfing lock ranges for the caldari and gallente but give them both the speed and cap buffs.

Idk.

Those were my two cents

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And another thing, looking at fw low sec. I think implementing these changes would kill off any solo pvp above destroyers. Why? Because flying solo cruisers is hard enough with frigate-online, butthen you slap this onto combat recons and boom, paranoia so bad nobody will fly solo anything bigger than a frig or a dessie. Seems like these changes would really lend themselves to fleet mechanics at the expense of solo players.