Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Except for every one that can fit a covert ops cloak. The SoE ships come to mind here. As do the cloaky recons and stealth bombers. Oh and T3's and to some extent Black OPs.

Never thought so many people would be terrified of Schrodinger's recon. I mean his proteus has been or not been lurking for quite some time.

As for the changes looks super interesting to try out though I had hoped with the recon rebalance we would see an overhaul of ECM both as a user and receiver ECM is just annoying long stretches of uselessness for either the ship who got jammed or the one who missed a jamming cycle.

Edit: and for all the people saying the devs arent taking feedback the Rook likely would not have RLML bonuses if not for feedback here just because they arent changing a particular feature you want them to doesnt mean theyre ignoring feedback wholesale.

Stratios cannot warp into a plex undetected. Stratios has decloaking penalty to locking. Stratios is just a regular combat hull after it decloaks. It does not have "game breaking" combat abilities the Combat Recons have.

CCP also placed cloak immunity in FW plexes.

Anyways, combat recon pilots will get easy kills and then be put on lists - and then get blueballed. Not a problem - I guess.

Then again, maybe it'll help out solo guys - who have an extra utility slot laying around - learn how to use scan probes. Great for Comet pilots like me. Not so great for hookbill, merlin, incursus, etc... pilots.

You guys say that like that situation doesn't prevent fights. I assure you it does. I have heard the phrase "These guys always have Falcon alts" prevent a fight quite a lot.

I absolutely love the idea of flying one of these in WHs, however I think this might be a bit short-sighted.


I suspect it wouldn't take long before the 'invisible to dscan' feature thats so awesome would turn many WHs into a waste land.

In WHs this feature is arguably better than a cloak due to no targeting delay or showing up on dscan after jumping and before cloaking.

NOOO!

you've just pushed the Curse into an effectively more cloaky ship with the no dcan combat recon than the Pilgrim and then gimped the one thing the Pilgrim was good at (neut amount).

You have basically destroyed the Pilgrim as a decent solo ship making it really nothing more than an Arbitrator able to fit a cloak and have a little more range for its neuts (oh and 14x more expensive)

And they use a module for it and (generally) have lock time penalties (circumvented in certain cases). Non-covert cloaks are balanced in that you cannot warp with them on. The big problem with the proposed combat recons is that they sacrifice nothing for what is effectively a cloak; maybe it's not equivalent to a cov ops but it is certainly comparable to a normal cloaking device.

Don't get me wrong, I'll probably buy a Curse or two post Proteus, but I still feel like this change is a bit much.

A stratios doesn't suck your cap dry from 37 km or point/web you at 100 km, though.

Fit warp core stabs or a MJD.

In fact, don't leave highsec and they can't even touch you bro :)

And that Thorax gang doesn't see the three Huggins and Curse the other gang has. I wonder if they will bail or stay?

And because no one really know, people will take the engagement because that is why they logged in. If they have the prefect intel they do the napkin math and realize they will most likely lose. So they don't engage or call for more numbers. Then that other side sees these 'more numbers' due to perfect intel and realize they will lose. So they don't engage or call in for even MORE numbers. This goes on and on when the reality is if neither side had that perfect intel - they would have engaged each other from the start.

Sure some FCs will not be able to handle dealing with these kinds of changes, because they were using perfect intel as a crutch the entire time to stand.