Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Yes you'll have to wait a few seconds longer to completely remove the targeted ship from the fight.

Fair point. Most of the ships used to run sites can fit it (and it will serve them not only for Combat Probes, but also Core Probes, and have much more of them loaded in the launcher, ths less reloads), but I also think their CPU usage is pretty high, especially now that more people would like to fit them in ships that are not D3's (Confessor and upcoming bros).

I would vote for a CPU cost reduction for Expanded Probe Launchers. Make them still tight, but not that much. What about 180 CPU, for example?

Point and web range is 93km.
You want to be in damage range to kill rats.

Lets take an angel 5/10 lowsec DED site example. In the last pocket you need to kill a structure while doging a bunch of npcs. It's will not be possible to kill that from 100km away.

I have run a bunch of sites in lowsec with PvP ships, right now you see recons declack while using the accerlation gate. With multiple pockets you have anough time to position yourself or run away. "It's an Arazu and rapier? I might be able to kill that before the main flet gets here. Oh they got an Oneiros to help them == armor tank == damps == better run!"

Now you have 10 seconds between notice and before you get pointed, webbed and damped. That means I will try to run == less pvp for both parties.

Oh, unless you use an 0 SP alt to watch the first gate! WHAT A THRILLING GAME MECHANIC! It just forces you to use more alts .. that do nothing but watch overview. Yay.

Actually, your own example is way better than the one I just made up. Think about it: If you are in 2 cruisers, you see the Vexors on this gate and you don't see the Rooks. Yes, you engage. But is this really a success or a nice game mechanic? What kind of "fight" did it just generate? A fight where one side will just be jammed out without the chance to ever do anything. The people who were slaughtered might think twice before warping to something the next time, which is precisely what many of the people here are afraid of.

For nano stuff, it's even worse, because Recons take not only your attack capabilities but also your defence away.

Balancing is about giving people options and not making bunches of ships entirely useless.

Ishtars are currently pretty strong compared to all other hacs, but do you seriously think that if this change is confirmed everybody will fly just combat recons?

Well everyone uses ishtars and have done for ~18months now. And everyone uses rail tengus. And before that slowcats. And before that blap titans, etc. Evidently people will train for OP **** and abuse it. Crossing race isn't a limit; SP and/or isk cost don't work for balancing things! We have known & proven this for the longest time now!

The same way you solo currently, trusting that not everyone has thought to bring a cloaky T3 or Rapier or Arazu. It's no different, surely?

Giving them immunity to D-SCAN is just stupid. It makes them overpowered, a lot. You wont see anything else but recons in WHs after the changes.

This may come off as a bit harsh, but CCP Rise, I hope you know that the majority of the solo community you left behind in Eve hate you. This is not coming just from me, I'm simply delivering the message here. I have spent the last three hours this morning listening to people cuss you out (again).

That being said. Here's my actual constructive argument.

In most fights, large, small, and solo, recons play a huge role even in their current unbuffed state. (As everything in eve has been buffed). The fact of having long-range tackle, heavy neuting power, ECM to demolish opposing forces or to render damage ships useless, or stationary enough to hit. These are huge buffs to the recons. I do admit - the current recons lack in two area's - damage and TANK.

But even with that, they are still capable of doing these major role-changing things: Locking down targets. Cyno'ing, Covert Cyno'ing. That is their advantage.

We already have little awareness if recons are in use. the slight split second if we manage to hit d-scan if he is decloaked to drop probes, or hits a gate. In most situations they are a nasty surprise that could mean our end. But in other situations they are the split-second reason we save ourselves from entering a death-trap.

On the PvE side of things, obviously carebearing in null/wormholes will be that much harder. I think it's a f**king stupid argument to make; "You just have your alt to watch the gate." To assume that all players in eve have a dedicated alt with which to use freely. I admit, I do, and I still think that is why this game is broken, considering I cannot maintain safety or mobility without having a second character to devote to the untidy (often nasty) tasks of scouting/moving/ gathering resources.

I get that recons are mostly scouted when jumping gates, and I would have rather seen the ability being used as; "remains cloaked during gate transit" or something akin to that rather than a simple middle finger to directional scan. That seems to me a lazy way of going about things.

Recons are already a problem. I feel that taking away the slightest hint that they are even there will cripple a lot of players/fleets/carebears/nullbears. Yes this change sounds awesome from those that like to fly recon ships (me included.) But I also enjoy flying other things, and 90% of my losses already account to rapiers/falcons.

No, I won't quit eve. I will exploit this game change in every way possible like the next guy. In fact, it may become my new doctrine. I think it's an unnecessary change and will do more to harm than good. I am an atheist yet I'll pray for those lonely 1 account players trying to mission run in plexes I've already scanned around constillation. :(

The Pilgrim. Opinions seem mixed, gaining neut range is obviously nice but many of you still feel that giving up neut strength is too harsh, or that some other added power is needed (more damage for instance). Will get back to you on this as soon as possible but it's possible that we will make adjustments.

If damage buff, 125mb drone bandwith, otherwise Pilgrim will be stratios w/o scan strength bonus. Actually 125mb drone bandwith would make pilgrim interesting, unique and versitile ship to fly, PvE and PvP wise, also would make some sense with that neut range bonus.