Player Features and Ideas Discussion

As a Pilgrim pilot I would agree with this.

As a guy who's been flying pilgrims for years you're both wrong, the thing you want the pilgrim to do it can't do anymore and hasn't been able to do since Anoms were introduced and people started ratting together in systems.

I know, its literally my favorite ship in EVE, only EVE changed, and that thing it does isn't really a thing anymore. Your DPS is so lackluster that theres zero chance of you killing a ratter now without help arriving for him.

So, the pilgrim needed to be redesigned around the current environment of Blops gangs where the pilgrim (you know, the one that can use the blops bridge, not the Dscan immune one that still has to take gates or titan bridges with tell tale cynos) was the only ship left that had to go danger close to a target to be effective at all.

Now a pilgrim will effectively be able to support its blops fleet with TD's and neuts from range, without having to go into scram and web range.

Hi.

You guys and ladies have been on fire recently, but I think you are possibly overheating with these changes.

Comments:

a) a role bonus making a ship undetectable to D-Scan is a terrible idea. As stated already, arbitrary immunities are lazy game design and feel horrible. All other changes in this thread seem palatable, but this really tastes acidic.

b) by making a ship immune to D-scan, you affect WH groups and highlight local as a source of intel. Please consider fixing the local chat channel, how players use local and D-Scan before introducing a ship that is immume to one (i.e. D-Scan) in k-space and immume to both in WH space.

c) if you are trying to close the gap between combat recons and T3 ships, why not nerf the T3 ships back instead of buffing the T2's? If you thought about this already, please share your thoughts. Let me remind you that the T3 ships have some of the same bonuses as the recons line, why not try removing these from the T3 lines/modules or rebalancing T3? Of course, T3's overlap with logistics (shield/armour transfer) as well and arguably interceptors (i.e. interdiction nullifiers), but who said they had to make sense.

d) In null sec, neut enters local = run to pos/station/safe. In low sec (at the moment), hostile enters low sec = mash and tune D-Scan, the hostile will decloak at a complex's entrance at least. Only if you are in one of the few non-gated mission (level 5 and very few Level 4s), higher tier FW sites and some expo sites might you be caught with you pants down but you could mitigate this by dropping a can at the warp in, moving away from the entrance, aligning out and mashing warp in the 4-5s window you have if a recon decloaked within scram/disruptor range. This proposed change, in essence, makes low sec activities more risky, sure I can bring an alt and park them on the warp gate cloaked but is that honestly the anticipated counter? In other words, my feeling is that this will affect low sec game play the most.

e) Increasing resists to HAC levels, uping the speed, etc. Great but why. See point c).

f) Pilgrim change to range is a but meh, give it another low (plus a sprinkling of grid/cpu) and leave the neuted amount bonus.

g) Merry Xmas lachesis pilots which gets an extra 2 turrets and more drones. Couple this with D-Scan immunity and trollolollolol.

peace

Wow!

Did they make combat probes not show up on scan as well? This doesn't give recons the ability to warp wherever you are instantaneously as soon as they jump into system. If a new recon warps in on you then any ship could have cause you weren't watching for the old as time tell tale ~combat probes~ on d-scan and probably deserve that recon in your anom.

Hmmm, I am on the fence with this one.

When I first saw the amount bonus replaced with range, well, that completely screws how I was using them beforehand. They were the best close range covert cyno ship, as could fit a fairly decent tank, and the web/scram needed to pin the enemy synergised well with the nuet/nos amount bonus.

On the other hand, it makes them operate much better in fleets as they can tracking disrupt, drone damage, and now also nuet from range. They were the only recon ship which didn't synergise well with the others in terms of its primary ewar bonus.

I don't normally post or get too involved in the rage over changes but as a FW small gang pilot I just couldnt stay quiet. This change will be terrible in the fw zone.

Small gang/solo rules for fw space after this change.

Never fly anything larger then what fits in a small. Otherwise you will be jumped.
Never warp into a medium with others in system.
Never sit in a medium.
Never sit outside of a plex.
Move out.

I'm very glad you're returned to ship tiericide. After several expansions without I was getting worried that you'd abandoned the project.

doublepost delete plz

Can the rook (a cruiser) get rapid light bonuses? I think this would make it a much more viable ECM boat! HAM's make no sense for a recon since it's suppose to be far off ham's make absolutely 0 sense for a rook to be bonus'd too!

As a player who DAILY PVEs and PVPs in C1-C3 systems, I LOVE these chagnes! Eff yeah 1000x over! Me and my corpmates have been rejoicing over this dev blog since we first read it this morning. CCP Rise, u da man!

Pilgrim changes: super mega dope now!
Curse changes: maybe even more dope!
Arazu: buying my first one now!
Lachesis: never even considered this ship until now!

Every Recon pilot in my fleet when i linked the dev blog started screaming with joy. Every non-Recon pilot in my fleet changed their training queue. Op success, CCP.

Also, to those who are complaining about dangers in wspace and this breaking low class systems and PVE....wspace should be seriously effing dangerous and operating here ought to be extremely difficult and deadly. Players who do not take the necessary defensive steps to secure their hole or their operations SHOULD be punished by those who do take the necessary offensive steps. So basically, be smart- take the steps to secure your system before you run sites, put alts on your doors, scout your neighbors or roll/crit your exits.

Happy hunting my friends. :)