Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I think that's kind of the point to them. You should be changing your underpants in a wh when a Curse or Falcon appears on grid...now that the Rook is actually usable, it actually has a purpose now, look out.

But then again, they still won't be as powerful as a cloaky t3. just short of.

BRAVO CCP. Now please please fix ECM.

i would suggest reducing their targeting range down a bit .. its also odd that combat recons have about 30km more than their force recon variant... its getting hard too see where the differences in HAC resilience and recon resilience is.. seems better on recons by a fair way here...

Well that'll be interesting, now have to worry about a Curse or Arazu in every single medium FW complex.

So, let me try and keep this constructive.



This has some serious implications, not just for me as an fw pilot.

With disallowing any type of cloaking in fac war plexes, we got a change that mainly reduced farming. A big +1. But with this change I could sit and run medium plexes all day without anyone ever knowing I was there. You'd only have local and (out of game) killboard information so you'd either have to manually check every open medium plex or constantly use combat probes.

This requires a permanent scout infront of every medium plex you run solo or in small groups. It would be more powerful than the no longer viable cov ops in plexes, because you can't even detect them going through the gate and they don't have the cloak targeting delay.

Of course this also means that a scout would be mandatory for every mission and site that has a gate (and doesn't need to be probed). You can usually protect yourself against cov ops by using the dscan frequently. Now you'll need a second account (either yours or a space friend) checking the front door. If alone, you'd have to expend a high slot and be constantly combat probing while running a site to have any kind of protection. Seems a bit overkill for me.

Same goes for wormholes: An active dscaner can detect a cov ops pilot coming through a hole in scanrange.
But wh space in generall is tricky, as it (rightfully so) is a dangerous place. Remember: without a gate that they have to pass through or local to rely on, cov ops can grab and kill you in any open space as it is right now.
Using a combat recon to engage in open space would be less favourable to cov ops, as it lands visible on grid and cannot sneak up to a desired range. Increased point-range and no cloaking delay somewhat mitigate this though.

Ewar bonuses and a good tank seem appropriate enough for the role of combat recon.
And if you'd want to spice it up more, a dps range buff seems more logical in my opinion. (drone boats where appropriate, falloff/optimal, missile speed/flight time)

EDIT: All that said, dscan immunity is far from being op. Under the right circumstances a cov ops pilot can ruin your day just as easily. I just really don't want you to be able to farm fw timers with them undetected.

I also like the idea of increased dscan range. That would be a great role filler.

o7

-I agree with you on the pilgrim; it should either drop a mid for a high or lose the TP bonus for neut amount; it's being half-assed and nothing good will come of that. That being said, if we're forced to accept this, i can see it being useful for blops and disruptor-range kiting in pvp.

-The rook not only needs a RLM bonus, but it also needs a helluva lot more PG; a base of 750 would be perfect, but more to the point, something needs to be done with the falcon. A RoF bonus for hybrids and a bigger drone bay would be excellent; it's just worrisome that the force recons got so little attention in this patch apart from the rapier.

-I need to point this out since it keeps popping up in this thread like a demented gopher and needs to be put down:
The Huginn should not get missiles. Core Complexion ships in this game have missiles as part of their identity with the new balance meta, so Boundless Creation ships shouldn't be getting it at all in any instance. You want a TP bonus on a t2 missile cruiser? Tough sh*t! Caldari are the ones who need the bloody TP bonuses to compliment their missiles; minmatar just needs something else like web strength or extra combat usability. Web range is a bonus as effective if not more so in pvp since it is the literal definition of range control. They should have fixed this a LONG time ago but it's never once been addressed.

lol next step Rifter full immune to missiles and drones?

Well.....D3's being able to use combat probes makes a smidge more sense now.

*Goes to update skill queue*

Rook is still garbage just fyi

When running a blops fleet, you can throw in combat recons and there forced to use crappy prototype cloaking devices and cant warp and cloak. Now, they just don't show up on D scan will make them just like the rest of the roaming Blops fleet undetectable until they land on grid next to you! This is an amazing change! It's a waste of a high slot having to put a Cloak on a combat Recon.

Given they can't covert cloak, that's utterly brilliant

My Rook, "Jam and Toast", thanks you!