Player Features and Ideas Discussion

As an avid Pilgrim Pilot, I must say, the change to them is underwhelming. The only thing it had going for it as far as hunting pve'rs was it's neut drain ability. While the increase the range is nice in theory, removing cap at the same range as a Curse with no bonus to the strength of the neuts will make for a lot of escaping targets that are faster than a Pilgrim, which for the uninformed.......there are a lot of. Bad call on this one CCP.

You might need to make friends. :shrug:

The more I ponder this D-scan thing, the more I find it reckless. There is, again, no reason to make combat recons any more "unique" as they already fill a vital role in fleets and small gangs, and enhancing this role through enhancing survivability would be more suitable. This D-scan thing is a solution looking for a problem. Many others have already pointed out how many problems it will cause, in wormholes, in faction warfare sites, and in nullsec fleets.

I get it CCP, you want to be bold and take risks, but there is a big difference between being bold and being reckless.

• Phoebe jump fatigue was bold. Applying fatigue to subcaps using jump bridges (and thereby crippling home defense gangs) was reckless.
• Drones as a standalone weapon system was bold. Neglecting consideration for the consequences (Drone Assist, the current Ishtar imbalance) was reckless.
• Something to make interceptors "unique" was bold. Giving interceptors bubble immunity when they are capable of insta-warping was reckless.
• AoE Doomsdays were bold. Allowing them to fire through cynos was reckless.

You don't need to add to this list.

what in the actual ****? dscan immunity?

ahaha for solo to small gangs welcome to combat recons online, where you and your buddies are the all powerful hunters and are invisible and cant be dscanned and your prey is also invisible and cant be dscanned so you must combat probe evry single system.

pointless and op

let's distinguish between ewar ships that are useful for straight up gang stuff (T1), and ewar ships that are good for blobbing soloers (EAFs, force recons, proposed combat recons).

I think we could do with more from the first category, and less from the second category. blobbing my solo frigate/cruiser is already insanely easy without 25km warp scramblers and 80km disruptors/webs, you don't need that stuff and cloaks and has d-scan immunity as well. I was hoping this would be a nerf or removal of the tackle range bonuses on force recons, and a tank/cap fix for combat recons.

and **** ecm, seriously.

No, what's that?

*WHAT*??

Dude, seriously stop with the missile infestation. CCP has already screwed up the cyclone and bellicose. Minmatar ships are meant to have projectile weapons. Stop ruining my rusty ships! Purge the Caldari virus now.



What next, all ships from all races need laser bonuses?

I dont understand, first you say eve is about making decisions but now you take it from us by introducing such bonuses. Just think about solo or small scale pvpers. What decisions should they make for avoiding being permajammed by rook or tackled by huggin and lachesis? No recalibration time and invisibility for d-scan makes it impossible to counter. Now they gonna have even more EHP. Once you was a solo pvper yourself so why do you do it to us?

Can we get a separate thread for the discussion of the d-scan thing? I feel like all the other balance changes are getting lost behind that.

Let me contribute this to the whole "D-Scan Immunity" rage-fest...er...discussion.

What does granting D-Scan immunity grant Combat Recons allow them to do that other ships couldn't do already?

Other ships could already warp cloaked to your anom or belt and tackle you without you seeing them. And with the Force Recon buff, some of them would actually kill you solo. Post-Proteus Combat Recons can land on-grid with you sure, but unless they've fit a combat scanner (which gimps their fit and relies on scan probes that do show up on D-Scan) they can't land right on top of you. With the possible exception of a long-point Lachesis, you should have plenty of time to warp off unless you're sitting right at the warp-in spot.

What about acceleration gates? With those, even cloaky ships had to decloak briefly in order to use the gate giving you a chance to scan them. Post-Proteus Combat Recons will be undetectable until they land on grid. And there again is their weakness: the gate will always drop them, uncloaked, at the same spot. So unless they're sitting there waiting for you at the warp-in (which other cloaky ships could already do), you should have plenty of time to warp off as long as you don't sit on the warp-in.

EDIT: What about gate camps, ratting, or anything else that a Combat Recon would do whilst uncloaked? Proper scouting has always involved getting eyes on-grid to actually see the enemy's disposition. D-Scan immunity just makes proper scouting more critical to see if they have Combat Recons hiding in plain sight.

The sky isn't falling folks. We'll just have to pay a bit more attention to what we're doing.