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[Proteus - January] Recon ships

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Chandaris
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#21 - 2014-12-18 15:13:17 UTC
10/10 I love you.
Marcel Devereux
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#22 - 2014-12-18 15:14:46 UTC
The Huginn also only has 14 slots. So this is what we have so far:

Curse: 16
Rook: 15
Lac: 15
Huginn: 14

Seems you missed doing a slot adjusting this pass.
Diivil
Magellanic Itg
Goonswarm Federation
#23 - 2014-12-18 15:14:55 UTC
Combat recons should at least show up in dscan if you are on the same grid with them. Majority of Eve use dscan tools and it would be extremely frustrating to not be able to copy a certain ship type from dscan list when you can clearly see it in your own overview.
James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#24 - 2014-12-18 15:16:54 UTC
RIP anything trying to close on a hyugen now.

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Suzuma
Makiriemi Industries
#25 - 2014-12-18 15:19:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Suzuma
Was hoping the Arazu would be made a droneboat with at least 50mbit/100m3 dronebay and 4/7/4 slot layout

Lachesis needs damage/tracking or damage/optimal bonuses, cos optimal/tracking is great for what...swatting frigates?

Shouldn't one of the Amarr hulls should be lasers? Say damage/tracking or damage/cap use

for starters :)

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Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#26 - 2014-12-18 15:19:26 UTC
Some pretty cool changes. Is it intentionally that the curse gained an extra lowslot for free (I hope it is)?

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Asayanami Dei
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
#27 - 2014-12-18 15:19:40 UTC
Diivil wrote:
Combat recons should at least show up in dscan if you are on the same grid with them. Majority of Eve use dscan tools and it would be extremely frustrating to not be able to copy a certain ship type from dscan list when you can clearly see it in your own overview.

Good point.

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Tiberius StarGazer
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#28 - 2014-12-18 15:19:55 UTC
Quite literally smashing this one out of the park. The HAC tank will actually make em usable as the frontline support ships they always should have been!
Psianh Auvyander
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2014-12-18 15:20:19 UTC
I fear that the Dscan bit will be changed, but I truly hope not!

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Needmore Longcat
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#30 - 2014-12-18 15:20:29 UTC
I like most of the changes, especially since it will make the ships a little more useful, but not showing up on dscan is a bit silly. That's what cloaks are for.
lin Quay
Motiveless Malignity
Deepwater Hooligans
#31 - 2014-12-18 15:20:39 UTC  |  Edited by: lin Quay
Diivil wrote:
Combat recons should at least show up in dscan if you are on the same grid with them. Majority of Eve use dscan tools and it would be extremely frustrating to not be able to copy a certain ship type from dscan list when you can clearly see it in your own overview.

Very much this.

Very happy to see the tank increase as well, it was needed. The capacitor is also very welcome. Always sucks to leave your huginn behind on a long warp!

ECM still needs fixed.
Draciste
Everyone vs Everything
#32 - 2014-12-18 15:20:40 UTC
"Combat Recons will now be permanently undetectable by directional scanners"

bleh Ugh

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ale rico
Slow Chidlren at Play
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#33 - 2014-12-18 15:21:28 UTC
  • Give Combat Recons something to make them stand out as a unique and interesting set of ships


  • Combat Recons will now be permanently undetectable by directional scanners


    • Seems to me a stronger tank or significant damage bonuses would have had the desired effect without completely changing the game with recons. I hope you guys thought about all implications this will bring.
    Innominate
    KarmaFleet
    Goonswarm Federation
    #34 - 2014-12-18 15:21:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Innominate
    Arbitrary immunities are dumb everywhere they exist. They are lazy amateurish game design.
    Arkon Olacar
    black.listed
    #35 - 2014-12-18 15:22:36 UTC
    Canenald wrote:
    Please also make Huginn a missile boat. It's a Bellicose hull after all. That or change the hull to Stabber or Rupture.

    Not emptyquoting.
    Sentient Blade
    Crisis Atmosphere
    Coalition of the Unfortunate
    #36 - 2014-12-18 15:23:40 UTC
    Can someone run the numbers on the EHP once they have the HAC resist profiles? Right now they are of course paper thin.
    Arkon Olacar
    black.listed
    #37 - 2014-12-18 15:23:40 UTC
    Also the arbitary DScan immunity is stupid, please no
    Stitch Kaneland
    The Tuskers
    The Tuskers Co.
    #38 - 2014-12-18 15:24:39 UTC
    Undetectable by Dscan?!

    Love. It.

    Huginn could be interesting. Though couple things i want you to consider. With long webs comes the need for a weapon system that has good range. Ac huginn is laughable at 20-40km. Arty huginn could be interesting, is there enough grid for 4 arty turrets?

    Please for the love of all that is EVE, reduce fitting on small/medium arty. Or maybe give huginn a smidge more PG so its viable at range instead of being forced to get close, unlike the rest of the CRS.

    Or

    Give it double missile bonus, since heavies MIGHT actually apply their damage with a 50% TP bonus with long webs. It would be the only ship being able use heavy missiles effectively.

    Maybe double missile RoF bonus like claymore?

    Otherwise, looks like some great changes.

    Give Battlecruisers range to fullfil their Anti-Cruiser role - OP SUCCESS

    Make the Muninn great again!
    Ross Sylibus
    Caldari Provisions
    Caldari State
    #39 - 2014-12-18 15:25:59 UTC
    I don't see how this doesn't make WH space completely unlivable for most of EVE.
    Morwen Lagann
    Tyrathlion Interstellar
    #40 - 2014-12-18 15:26:36 UTC
    Pilgrim without its neut amount bonus? One word: Ugh.

    If you absolutely must put a range bonus on it, make it a small one and keep the amount one. Don't neuter the thing it was good at. With this change it's just a weak Curse with a cloak. Which isn't all that big a ~thing~ with the whole "invisible to d-scan" bonus that you want to give to combat recons. With these changes there'd be even fewer reasons to fly a Pilgrim than there are right now.

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