Science & Industry

I've never seen any suggestion on how to make mining 'more active' that was something that could be done in EVE without gutting the whole game like a fish.

I suppose in theory they could make a strip miner that holds PI built mining charges, PI built so as not to defeat the purpose of mining - crystals are pure nocxium, I suppose a charge could be pure Morphite as well, and have it so the strip gets huge cycle reduction but can't repeat. Forcing people to monitor their strips to make sure they are always active and reduce the biggest killjoy of low end mining, being the time required to do it. The charges could even be restricted to low end ore.

I am sitting on a mountain of "low value" minerals, let´s try to get as much as I can get of them while mining some other stuff and wait till my mountain turns from coal to diamonds because the market shifted again - said barely a miner ever?

Please stop calling ABC's super rare. They are in most null sec system and all wh systems. purple loot is super rare ABC's aren't

Let me put it this way:

Mining in asteroid belts in null will never happen because it takes so much micromanagement that you could do any other activity in null and make at least double the income.

Or daytrip into a wormhole and make 100mil/hr or more in a venture mining gas there as a newer player.

Mining in null only happens in anomalies because you can (could) multibox large numbers of miners in an anomaly without having to break lock every cycle on each ship. Even after the nerf come the 1st, people will still be able to multibox in anomalies because they can shoot one rock to completely fill 27.5k m3- even manually clicking through each miner. Mining in belts after the ISBoxer nerf takes even a harder hit because you won't be able to broadcast lock or trigger your lasers.

Thus, mining in any belts (high sec or null) is going to get considerably harder, while mining in null anomalies will only get marginally more annoying.

The imbalance is only going to get worse after the ISBoxer nerf.

Mining won't get any harder for guys like me that never used any of these programmes. Using my Orca/Hulk/Hulk set up will be exactly the same, when I have them all logged on anyway.

Mostly I mine for my Industry, and only when I get really low on minerals or POS fuel do I have my team logged on.

Mainly I mine solo, with just my main account online. Hopefully when 1st January hits Ore and Mineral prices will get a boost and then I may log the team more.

But then again I have never mined to plex, so maybe not.

Again that WOULD be true if resources were distributed equally throughout the game world. However the game is designed so that.

High < Low < Null with WH's stuck somewhere in the middle of those.

Your income in any given activity is supposed to be tied directly to risk and difficulty of said activity. That is the most important precept of eve... That risk and reward go hand in hand.

Right now.... For mining. It doesn't.

how doesn't it. in null all ores are available not just ABC. and its safe down there to mine. WH mining is hit or miss but its doable also without to much hassle (need to be able to set it up without to many connections in the wh). I find my self more at ease in a backwater null system than high sec where I have to be suspicious of every person that enters local.

This argument is so short sighted it's amusing. And wrong. Go read some of the previous posts if you want to know why.





You actually suggested mining in a WH. Hahahahahahaha

Okay, to be fair, gas mining in a WH is viable because you can take a solo venture and make 100m/hr.




I'm not even suggesting that they need to add anything to nullsec. I'm suggesting they REMOVE the majority of the m3 of croc/bist/ark/merc in null anoms. It would make sense that they expand the veld rocks. Ideally, Null anoms should be choc full of low ends with medium amounts of mid and small amounts of high ends. This way, null could locally source low ends and high ends from the space around them, provided they had people that wanted to mine. Imports would still need to happen when building supers, because those require a metric ton of low ends.

With this idea, the bulk of ark/bist/crok/merc would be in the static belts in null. Because of the ISBoxer nerfs and the way that static belts work, it becomes much more difficult for someone to multibox more than a few miners at a static belt. This means that "small time" miners with only a few accounts will have significantly more potential mining in the belts, while people still multiboxing large miners will find themselves locked in the anomalies.



To summarize the current problem for those that aren't following the entire thread- Null anomalies are currently top heavy with way too much high end ore. Mining in null anomalies nets more low end minerals than cherry picking existing null static belts. Cycling belts to get more low end minerals leads to a huge surplus of high end minerals, as reflected in current stockpiles and the abysmal price of high end minerals.

That is and has always been a bogus argument. There are tons of areas in EVE PVE where the risk/reward simply doesn't hold true. Enough to disprove that EVE was 'designed' to be that way.

Miners blindly flooding the market with minerals are as bad as the market dude who complains he bought so many of Product A and then can't sell them because the supply got flooded and the prices tanked. The market people would tell him he needs to adapt to the market fluctuations. In the same way miners need to adapt to the market fluctuations.

There are low ends in all areas of space. Or a miner can simply relocate back to the safety of HS and mine away on the more profitable low ends until prices shift around again.

This is a tricky issue because there are options, but as has been pointed out, once you are in null you expect a certain ISK/hour. That means that if ratting is more profitable than mining a specific ore, even if you need it, you will probably just rat. I don't like it, but I understand it.

I live in a wormhole with a null static, so I get the tourist view of null. Every day I could visit another region of space if I wanted. The other day I took a peek in Etherium Reach. The belt I looked at had two large Veldspar rocks, but they weren't very big and they were it for large rocks of that type. If this is even remotely average for Veldspar in a null belt then I get it. Even though I like some of the alternate ideas that have been presented, putting more large Veldspar rocks in asteroid belts in null would really help that situation.

Whether they retune the anomalies, or the belts, or both, something should be done. I've seen more large Veldspar rocks in the low end ore anomalies in my wormhole than I saw out there. And while I'd love to suggest that null miners jump into a wormhole and get their Veldspar there, that might not be feasible on a mass scale. If you only need a few hours of mining to get what you need then it could be viable, if we're talking days of farming that makes it less of an option. Plus if everybody in null is doing that, it could make it harder to find something to mine even in a wormhole.