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[MERC] The Marmite Collective

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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#4741 - 2014-12-04 15:31:06 UTC
Danalee wrote:


I ESPLAIN SIMPLE FOR U M8:
YOU MAKE CORPIE.
YOU TALK. A LOT. BAD.
YOU GET WARDEC.
YOUR CORPIE DIES.

Get it? You are a natural born looser and to make it worse, you are proud of it.
We all feel very sorry for you but think of all the perfectly good air those starving kids in africa could be breathing were it not for you storing it in that windbag you call veers.

D.

Bear


My Corpie didn't "die." My Corpie is still here with the exact same name.

Let's review what actually happened. Tora posted a suggestion in the F&I forum to raise wardecc fees against small corps and lower them against large corps. I pointed out that this would mainly help....Marmite. Tora threw a hissy fit and wardecced me, like a spoiled baby would react. I of course won the war by my usual 30-1 ratio, and made Marmite look like the thuggish fools that we all know they really are.

Keep on losing...you sure are good at it.
Adriel Malakai
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#4742 - 2014-12-04 15:31:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Adriel Malakai
Here's what actually happened.

Vimsy and I went down to Hek to see if we could get some pew pew out of Marmite. We brought two guards and one scout. Contrary to popular belief, most of us only have one Guardian alt.

We get spotted by Zane and he, rightly, rings the dinner bell, and Marmite start getting into position (which we were unaware of) while BAW is reshipping out of the frigates we used to blitz down to Hek.

After sitting on/in station, for about 10 minutes, IceAmarr (Navy Vexor) and Zane (Loki) warp to the gate for the system I'm in, attempting to bait me in my fleet phoon. Since this behavior is not what I'd consider typical for Marmite (yes I know, some of you hunt people now) we suspect it's a trap and check adjacents, where we find five additional Marmite, with approximately 20 more online and unaccounted for.

At this point it was obvious that we likely wouldn't kill anything and would, at best, get out with our ships still in one piece. So we left and I got multiple angry conversations, and a rather pleasant one from Danalee. There is no mad on my end - you guys reacted appropriately and set up a trap rather quickly, assuming you were probably coming from the Rens area. Frankly, if you had held two jumps out instead of one, you probably would have caught and killed my fleet phoon.

Danalee wrote:
If you allow me for a second to analyse all you little bawaw's crying in my thread, I could come to the conclusion that you are trying very hard to matter. trying very hard but failing.
Try to do your own thing and not be a leech on the back of a succesfull merc group and also, try to have fun


What's funny is that we turned down the offer to "leech" on Marmite with your whole Merc Cluster Coalition, which was frankly a way for GSE to have a bunch of mercs work for free, and Marmite to put pressure on mercs to blue each other. We have no interest in high-sec blue donuts and take no part in them. Beyond that, we have no need to leech - we get plenty of contracts, many of which are of the "HALP THE OTHER MERCS ARE FAILING COME SAVE US!" variety.

As far as this specific CODE war goes, we like CODE and generally find it entertaining to shoot at you guys. So when Tora launched his whole crusade, we thought it'd be fun to jump on the war for free.

Anyways, I was very glad to see that you guys are reacting well and starting to hunt people in real numbers. Hope you guys keep it up and get more of your members to move towards that.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#4743 - 2014-12-04 15:32:03 UTC
Fybs wrote:


Who are you again?

Oh yeh your that guy who keeps dropping corp to avoid war decs.

Well done some elite skills right there.


Thank you. And I guess you are the fool who keeps deccing 1 man corps hoping and praying that they won't roll corp. Well done some elite skills right there.
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#4744 - 2014-12-04 15:34:43 UTC
Adriel Malakai wrote:
Here's what actually happened.

Vimsy and I went down to Hek to see if we could get some pew pew out of Marmite. We brought two guards and one scout. Contrary to popular belief, most of us only have one Guardian alt.

We get spotted by Zane and he, rightly, rings the dinner bell, and Marmite start getting into position (which we were unaware of) while BAW is reshipping out of the frigates we used to blitz down to Hek.

After sitting on/in station, for about 10 minutes, IceAmarr (Navy Vexor) and Zane (Loki) warp to the gate for the system I'm in, attempting to bait me in my fleet phoon. Since this behavior is not what I'd consider typical for Marmite (yes I know, some of you hunt people now) we suspect it's a trap and check adjacents, where we find five additional Marmite, with approximately 20 more online and unaccounted for.

At this point it was obvious that we likely wouldn't kill anything and would, at best, get out with our ships still in one piece. So we left and I got multiple angry conversations, one rather pleasant one from Danalee. There is no mad on my end - you guys reacted appropriately and set up a trap rather quickly, assuming you were probably coming from the Rens area. Frankly, if you had held two jumps out instead of one, you probably would have caught and killed my fleet phoon.

Danalee wrote:
If you allow me for a second to analyse all you little bawaw's crying in my thread, I could come to the conclusion that you are trying very hard to matter. trying very hard but failing.
Try to do your own thing and not be a leech on the back of a succesfull merc group and also, try to have fun


What's funny is that we turned down the offer to "leech" on Marmite with your whole Merc Cluster Coalition, which was frankly a way for GSE to have a bunch of mercs work for free, and Marmite to put pressure on mercs not to dec them. We have no interest in high-sec blue donuts and take no part in them. Beyond that, we have no need to leech - we get plenty of contracts, many of which are of the "HALP THE OTHER MERCS ARE FAILING COME SAVE US!" variety.

As far as this specific CODE war goes, we like CODE and generally find it entertaining to shoot at you guys. So when Tora launched his whole crusade, we thought it'd be entertaining to jump on the war for free.

Anyways, I was very glad to see that you guys are reacting well and starting to hunt people in real numbers. Hope you guys keep it up and get more of your members to move towards that.


Now this I agree with except the bit I don't know about so don't have an opinion on (YETTwisted).

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#4745 - 2014-12-04 15:58:09 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Let's review what actually happened. Tora posted a suggestion in the F&I forum to raise wardecc fees against small corps and lower them against large corps. I pointed out that this would mainly help....Marmite. Tora threw a hissy fit and wardecced me, like a spoiled baby would react. I of course won the war by my usual 30-1 ratio, and made Marmite look like the thuggish fools that we all know they really are.
I know its very hard to believe, but there are actual people who dislike you and wanted to pay us to war dec you. Who am I to say no to isks ? Lol

DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !

Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#4746 - 2014-12-04 16:02:17 UTC
Tora Bushido wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Let's review what actually happened. Tora posted a suggestion in the F&I forum to raise wardecc fees against small corps and lower them against large corps. I pointed out that this would mainly help....Marmite. Tora threw a hissy fit and wardecced me, like a spoiled baby would react. I of course won the war by my usual 30-1 ratio, and made Marmite look like the thuggish fools that we all know they really are.


I know its very hard to believe, but there are actual people who dislike you and wanted to pay us to war dec you. Who am I to say no to isks ? Lol


Gee....I don't know...maybe the guy who thinks it's bad to dec small corps because it makes them likely to disband? Oh wait, who advocates that again? Wasn't that some dude named Tora Bushido?

Lot's of very bad people dislike me. No one is forcing you to take their isk to dec me. You should have told them that the war had no chance of success, my 30-1 victory strategy is failproof. What kind of merc are you? Instead of giving your clients an honest assessment of the situation, you instead stole there money and led them to a shameful defeat.

Maybe it's time to disband Marmite and move on. If you can't do merccing right...don't do it at all.
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#4747 - 2014-12-04 16:12:34 UTC
Hey Tora, I'm at work so can't logon but do me a favor and wardec 'Swordmasters of New Eden' please?
I'll pay when I get home.

Thanks!

And Tora for CSM!

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#4748 - 2014-12-04 16:14:20 UTC
Danalee wrote:
Hey Tora, I'm at work so can't logon but do me a favor and wardec 'Swordmasters of New Eden' please?
I'll pay when I get home.

Thanks!

And Tora for CSM!

D.

Bear


I'd be happy to give Marmite another 30-1 thrashing.

And judging by his CSM post, Tora's campaign is doing a bit of floundering. His crazy 30 minute no dockup post gank idea is not being met with much support (nor does it make sense!).
Fybs
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4749 - 2014-12-04 16:44:35 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Danalee wrote:
Hey Tora, I'm at work so can't logon but do me a favor and wardec 'Swordmasters of New Eden' please?
I'll pay when I get home.

Thanks!

And Tora for CSM!

D.

Bear


I'd be happy to give Marmite another 30-1 thrashing.

And judging by his CSM post, Tora's campaign is doing a bit of floundering. His crazy 30 minute no dockup post gank idea is not being met with much support (nor does it make sense!).


What is this 30-1 you speak of?

Are you telling me that on our last war you manage to kill 30 marmites all alone?

please explain

Don't confuse kindness with weakness.

Beware the hand of Fybs.

Proud CEO of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#4750 - 2014-12-04 16:46:44 UTC
Fybs wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Danalee wrote:
Hey Tora, I'm at work so can't logon but do me a favor and wardec 'Swordmasters of New Eden' please?
I'll pay when I get home.

Thanks!

And Tora for CSM!

D.

Bear


I'd be happy to give Marmite another 30-1 thrashing.

And judging by his CSM post, Tora's campaign is doing a bit of floundering. His crazy 30 minute no dockup post gank idea is not being met with much support (nor does it make sense!).


What is this 30-1 you speak of?

Are you telling me that on our last war you manage to kill 30 marmites all alone?

please explain


Marmite Decs Veers, costing them 50 million ISK. Veers sends Tora an Evemail offering to cease hostilities for 8 billion isk in reparations. Tora fails to respond. Veers closes and reforms his corp costing 1.6 million isk. The war ends. Marmite has spent 50 million isk, Veers has spent 1.6 million isk.

Result - a clean 30-1 Veers victory. Marmite looks stupid. Veers looks brilliant.
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#4751 - 2014-12-04 16:51:25 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Crazy maths.


You are allmost right. Change the 50mil implied cost and subtract 50mil from it.
There, you have the amount of isk we spent.

Now it looks like we've been beating you with 1600000 - 1.

Quite the failure you've got going there and we can play looooong time trollboy Cool


D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Lord Razpataz
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
#4752 - 2014-12-04 17:04:51 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Danalee wrote:
Hey Tora, I'm at work so can't logon but do me a favor and wardec 'Swordmasters of New Eden' please?
I'll pay when I get home.

Thanks!

And Tora for CSM!

D.

Bear


I'd be happy to give Marmite another 30-1 thrashing.

And judging by his CSM post, Tora's campaign is doing a bit of floundering. His crazy 30 minute no dockup post gank idea is not being met with much support (nor does it make sense!).


Sry if I interrupt something here.. but..

First of all, I want to wish Tora the best of luck with CSM
You have my vote.

And.. back to what I was curious about..

Dear Veers.
Since you dont like other people "stretching" the mechanics in this "sandbox", why are you doing it yourself?
I honestly dont think CCP had in mind people shuffling corps (like you do) to get out of wars when they made the mechanics.
Like a shitload of other things in Eve, people take advantage of the grey areas.

Who are you to say that one gray area is ok and others are not?
I know you do this just for the trollings sake and trying to be eve famous...
But still, if you are advocating change, jumping corp to get out of a war is a broken mechanic right?
You have to fix that too! Lol

PS: Telling a merc that got paid you won the war, is kinda sad really.. you clearly dont understand the consept of mercing.
Maybe its another troll trolling you? making you lash out and make a fool of yourself Lol
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#4753 - 2014-12-04 17:18:35 UTC
Adriel stop talking like a normal person we need to talk more smack.
Miko Jin
HELVEGEN
#4754 - 2014-12-04 17:39:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Miko Jin
Veers Belvar wrote:
Fybs wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Danalee wrote:
Hey Tora, I'm at work so can't logon but do me a favor and wardec 'Swordmasters of New Eden' please?
I'll pay when I get home.

Thanks!

And Tora for CSM!

D.

Bear


I'd be happy to give Marmite another 30-1 thrashing.

And judging by his CSM post, Tora's campaign is doing a bit of floundering. His crazy 30 minute no dockup post gank idea is not being met with much support (nor does it make sense!).


What is this 30-1 you speak of?

Are you telling me that on our last war you manage to kill 30 marmites all alone?

please explain


Marmite Decs Veers, costing them 50 million ISK. Veers sends Tora an Evemail offering to cease hostilities for 8 billion isk in reparations. Tora fails to respond. Veers closes and reforms his corp costing 1.6 million isk. The war ends. Marmite has spent 50 million isk, Veers has spent 1.6 million isk.

Result - a clean 30-1 Veers victory. Marmite looks stupid. Veers looks brilliant.


Your not very bright are you cupcake?

Closing your corp due to a wardec is fail before anything else is taken into account.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#4755 - 2014-12-04 18:42:14 UTC
Miko Jin wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Fybs wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Danalee wrote:
Hey Tora, I'm at work so can't logon but do me a favor and wardec 'Swordmasters of New Eden' please?
I'll pay when I get home.

Thanks!

And Tora for CSM!

D.

Bear


I'd be happy to give Marmite another 30-1 thrashing.

And judging by his CSM post, Tora's campaign is doing a bit of floundering. His crazy 30 minute no dockup post gank idea is not being met with much support (nor does it make sense!).


What is this 30-1 you speak of?

Are you telling me that on our last war you manage to kill 30 marmites all alone?

please explain


Marmite Decs Veers, costing them 50 million ISK. Veers sends Tora an Evemail offering to cease hostilities for 8 billion isk in reparations. Tora fails to respond. Veers closes and reforms his corp costing 1.6 million isk. The war ends. Marmite has spent 50 million isk, Veers has spent 1.6 million isk.

Result - a clean 30-1 Veers victory. Marmite looks stupid. Veers looks brilliant.


Your not very bright are you cupcake?

Closing your corp due to a wardec is fail before anything else is taken into account.


No, it's called winning...and if people would do it more often Marmite would need to close up ship. I'm not looking to gain your approval for my "space bushido." I'm looking to keep on winning against griefers like Marmite.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#4756 - 2014-12-04 18:51:40 UTC
Lord Razpataz wrote:


Dear Veers.
Since you dont like other people "stretching" the mechanics in this "sandbox", why are you doing it yourself?
I honestly dont think CCP had in mind people shuffling corps (like you do) to get out of wars when they made the mechanics.
Like a shitload of other things in Eve, people take advantage of the grey areas.

Who are you to say that one gray area is ok and others are not?
I know you do this just for the trollings sake and trying to be eve famous...
But still, if you are advocating change, jumping corp to get out of a war is a broken mechanic right?
You have to fix that too! Lol

PS: Telling a merc that got paid you won the war, is kinda sad really.. you clearly dont understand the consept of mercing.
Maybe its another troll trolling you? making you lash out and make a fool of yourself Lol



Finally, a decent question! It took a non-Marmite for that, of course.

For one, CCP used to consider corp rolling an exploit. They specifically reversed that position, and now explicitly allow players to do it without consequence.

Is it gamey? Sure. Should it be curtailed? Sure. How do you curtail it? Well, here is what I think. I think the current wardecc mechanics are crazy. The 90 man Marmite collective can wardecc my 1 man corp. Does that create a fair fight or interesting content? Nope. It's stupid. I have no hope of beating them (barring my current strategy). All it leads to is docking up and playing on alts. And let's say I got friends to help and brought a huge fleet to Uedama..what would Marmite do? Dock up and play on alts of course.

That's the problem...Eve wars are not real wars. There is no negative consequence from docking up and playing on alts for a week. In RL if someone invades you, you respond or you die. In Eve, you just ignore it.

Result - only new players really fight wars, and they get slaughtered by thugs like Marmite. The whole system is a giant sham.

Solution? Get rid of all non-mutual wars. They serve no purpose, they are a joke, and it's just a free jobs plan for station and gate campers like Marmite. It adds nothing valuable to the game, and should be thrown out of it. Then I would no longer need to dodge these worthless wars.
Lord Razpataz
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
#4757 - 2014-12-04 19:23:05 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:


Finally, a decent question! It took a non-Marmite for that, of course.

For one, CCP used to consider corp rolling an exploit. They specifically reversed that position, and now explicitly allow players to do it without consequence.

Is it gamey? Sure. Should it be curtailed? Sure. How do you curtail it? Well, here is what I think. I think the current wardecc mechanics are crazy. The 90 man Marmite collective can wardecc my 1 man corp. Does that create a fair fight or interesting content? Nope. It's stupid. I have no hope of beating them (barring my current strategy). All it leads to is docking up and playing on alts. And let's say I got friends to help and brought a huge fleet to Uedama..what would Marmite do? Dock up and play on alts of course.

That's the problem...Eve wars are not real wars. There is no negative consequence from docking up and playing on alts for a week. In RL if someone invades you, you respond or you die. In Eve, you just ignore it.

Result - only new players really fight wars, and they get slaughtered by thugs like Marmite. The whole system is a giant sham.

Solution? Get rid of all non-mutual wars. They serve no purpose, they are a joke, and it's just a free jobs plan for station and gate campers like Marmite. It adds nothing valuable to the game, and should be thrown out of it. Then I would no longer need to dodge these worthless wars.


So that would mean if a corp with less the numbers you have dec you its all kosher? and you wont change corp?
interesting..

Oh, and making people dock up for a week or more is a viable tactic... people actually pay us to do exactly that.
So the smaller bears can get enough available spacerocks or as a method to get a bigger bear out of the area!
Dont mess with my sandcastle! P
Miko Jin
HELVEGEN
#4758 - 2014-12-04 19:32:01 UTC
No, it's called whinning...and if people would do it more often Marmite would need to close up ship. I'm not looking to gain your approval for my "space bushido." I'm looking to keep on whinning against griefers like Marmite.[/quote]

Fixed that last post for you.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#4759 - 2014-12-04 19:37:57 UTC
Lord Razpataz wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:


Finally, a decent question! It took a non-Marmite for that, of course.

For one, CCP used to consider corp rolling an exploit. They specifically reversed that position, and now explicitly allow players to do it without consequence.

Is it gamey? Sure. Should it be curtailed? Sure. How do you curtail it? Well, here is what I think. I think the current wardecc mechanics are crazy. The 90 man Marmite collective can wardecc my 1 man corp. Does that create a fair fight or interesting content? Nope. It's stupid. I have no hope of beating them (barring my current strategy). All it leads to is docking up and playing on alts. And let's say I got friends to help and brought a huge fleet to Uedama..what would Marmite do? Dock up and play on alts of course.

That's the problem...Eve wars are not real wars. There is no negative consequence from docking up and playing on alts for a week. In RL if someone invades you, you respond or you die. In Eve, you just ignore it.

Result - only new players really fight wars, and they get slaughtered by thugs like Marmite. The whole system is a giant sham.

Solution? Get rid of all non-mutual wars. They serve no purpose, they are a joke, and it's just a free jobs plan for station and gate campers like Marmite. It adds nothing valuable to the game, and should be thrown out of it. Then I would no longer need to dodge these worthless wars.


So that would mean if a corp with less the numbers you have dec you its all kosher? and you wont change corp?
interesting..

Oh, and making people dock up for a week or more is a viable tactic... people actually pay us to do exactly that.
So the smaller bears can get enough available spacerocks or as a method to get a bigger bear out of the area!
Dont mess with my sandcastle! P



No, even if the numbers were equivalent, the fact that there is no way to actually hurt the attacker makes the wars useless.I'll fight a war if winning it means the attacker gets a year log sentence in eve jail.

Making people dock up is useless because they can accomplish the exact same objectives on alts. What's the point?
Snake Fist Style
Doomheim
#4760 - 2014-12-04 19:44:32 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:


Making people dock up is useless because they can accomplish the exact same objectives on alts. What's the point?



Mining and incursions are useless because I am not a poor and anything I need I can buy by redeeming plex.

Belvar's argument is sound.