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Terpene Conglomerate
#61 - 2014-11-30 12:50:29 UTC
good feeling to be first docked amarrian in huola after almost 3 years + it was my first time in my militia career

hats off to all minnies that stayed in militia so far and defending their remaining systems


just want to say that huola could hold much longer, if smile n wave would take amamake properly(but nope they had to swap militia to gal to have better tier, thus not able to shoot the I-HUB, so here you go, greed is good after all) they could also help hold kourmonen, but they showed like only once and their numbers were quite game changer combined together with io guys for us amarrians in kourmonen plexes, but they stayed for like 20 minutes and left back to amamake so thx for that



thx to all amarrians and their friends that showed up and helped with this, huola is once again in the right hands :)





ps: and yeah, lp faucet aka missions and the tier levels and farmers are terribly broken, but theres tons of suggestions how to fix that already in other thread, its up to CCP but i dont think they care or have fw at their minds atm





Antoine Halcon
Far East Inc
DarkSide.
#62 - 2014-11-30 13:25:30 UTC
per wrote:
just want to say that huola could hold much longer, if smile n wave would take amamake properly


No, it isn't correct. If we had captured Amamake, we won't defend Huola anyway.

Quote:
they could also help hold kourmonen, but they showed like only once


We made Kourmonen stable once, then we were told that no one really cares about that system. So we gave up and moved to Amamake.

Nevertheless, gratz with unlocked achievement - "Devouring Wish to Dock in Huola " ;)
Oreb Wing
Last Rites.
#63 - 2014-11-30 15:09:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Oreb Wing
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
Zen Guerrilla wrote:

I completely agree on BC plexes tho, it would be awesome to have gated plexes for BCs. Large plexes just don't work for that.

EVEN THE MINNIES AGREE!!!!!

bc plexs!

larges sux



I dunno about this idea. The only counters to logi are heavy ewar or BS neuts. You take away one and you have upset the scale. Leave BS pockets or, mark my words, you will groan at Guardian chains you won't break. need those geddons.

And forcing people to ship up by removing nov/smalls is not the shove that encourages pvp when you can't get even a cruiser gang together.
Rahelis
Doomheim
#64 - 2014-11-30 15:29:29 UTC
Minnies and huola were easy to predict.

With only the first of at least three null sec patches recieved the future of power projection/ hot dropping is unsure.

CCP puts too much into FW, newbro zone, easy farming isk, bittervet fights - they would be wise to split this fields up with a new approch to FW.

I think it is important to see what way sov in null goes - one way or another that will be implemented in FW.
Master Sergeant MacRobert
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#65 - 2014-11-30 15:33:48 UTC
Oreb Wing wrote:
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
Zen Guerrilla wrote:

I completely agree on BC plexes tho, it would be awesome to have gated plexes for BCs. Large plexes just don't work for that.

EVEN THE MINNIES AGREE!!!!!

bc plexs!

larges sux



I dunno about this idea. The only counters to logi are heavy ewar or BS neuts. You take away one and you have upset the scale. Leave BS pockets or, mark my words, you will groan at Guardian chains you won't break. need those geddons.

And forcing people to ship up by removing nov/smalls is not the shove that encourages pvp when you can't get even a cruiser gang together.


The reason you don't get cruisers often enough is because there is not enough for them to aim for.

You take a cruiser fleet out and the enemy ships to frigs and dessies and runs two complexes quicker than you can finish the med (or the large)

On top of that, if you decide to run the large your fleet is sitting on a bullseye waiting for the appropriate counter to choose the method of engagement.

BC sized complexes open up the cruiser options as much as give solo options for BC pilots. There would definitely be an increase to larger ship hulls deploying around the war zone.

"Remedy this situation or you shall live out the rest of your life in a pain amplifier"
Flyinghotpocket
Small Focused Memes
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#66 - 2014-11-30 15:45:13 UTC
Oreb Wing wrote:
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
Zen Guerrilla wrote:

I completely agree on BC plexes tho, it would be awesome to have gated plexes for BCs. Large plexes just don't work for that.

EVEN THE MINNIES AGREE!!!!!

bc plexs!

larges sux



I dunno about this idea. The only counters to logi are heavy ewar or BS neuts. You take away one and you have upset the scale. Leave BS pockets or, mark my words, you will groan at Guardian chains you won't break. need those geddons.

And forcing people to ship up by removing nov/smalls is not the shove that encourages pvp when you can't get even a cruiser gang together.

guardians are overpowered and im supprised its taking this long for people to realize how op they are and get nerfed.

that aside geddon are hardly the things you need. ashimmu will get 99% percent of gangs buy to break guardians.

and besides have you forgotten the reason why guardians before where never seen? its because every bc' carried neuts. and some bc's the HURRICANE carried 2 medium nuets. 10 hurricanes 20 mediums neuts. gg the fight. bc are amazing but only when they have a plex all to their own.

Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro
Dreaded Vengance
Godless Horizon.
OnlyFleets.
#67 - 2014-11-30 17:26:44 UTC
Rahelis wrote:
Minnies and huola were easy to predict.


Can I haz some market intel please, oh lord of the all seeing eye.
Oreb Wing
Last Rites.
#68 - 2014-11-30 17:47:59 UTC
Nothing that is cruiser sized can apply consistent neuting power while being able to take dps.

Anyone that decided to defend a system when Nov/Smalls are no longer present, need only sit in system with a Guardian supported fleet with BC's and nothing that can pin down logi that has the advantage of a defensive position inside a plex. I'd love to see an Ashimmu dare that gate. So, with the Ashimmu gone, what else had neuts that can manage to close the distance on those Guardians? I don't know about you, but I can hear Squids crying were this to at all happen. At least in a cruiser brawl, DPS can break through reps with high alpha. BC's sitting on warp'in? gg
Stalking Mantis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#69 - 2014-11-30 18:10:23 UTC
GF.

Although I stopped playing EVE Online I decided to log in and say GF to the longtime yin to our yang.

Amarr Liason Officer Extraordinare -->Check Out Amarrian Vengeance/Amarr FW History from 2011 to 2014 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=352629&find=unread
Flyinghotpocket
Small Focused Memes
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#70 - 2014-11-30 18:11:29 UTC
Oreb Wing wrote:
Nothing that is cruiser sized can apply consistent neuting power while being able to take dps.


haha nope. this game will be more intresting when you git gud

Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro
Plato Forko
123 Fake Street
#71 - 2014-11-30 18:22:43 UTC
Oreb Wing wrote:
Nothing that is cruiser sized can apply consistent neuting power while being able to take dps.


that's pretty much exactly what navy augs do
Zen Guerrilla
CTRL-Q
Ushra'Khan
#72 - 2014-11-30 22:40:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Zen Guerrilla
per wrote:
just want to say that huola could hold much longer, if smile n wave would take amamake properly(but nope they had to swap militia to gal to have better tier, thus not able to shoot the I-HUB, so here you go, greed is good after all) they could also help hold kourmonen, but they showed like only once and their numbers were quite game changer combined together with io guys for us amarrians in kourmonen plexes, but they stayed for like 20 minutes and left back to amamake so thx for that

I don't know how to get this into your thick amarrian skulls....we could've easily held Huola in EU timezone just between Iron Oxide and Smile'n'Wave. But that would've brought us absolutely nothing as we had pretty much 0 people left on the US and AUS front.

So the most we could have done would have been delay the inevitable by a day or two. And i'm sorry but as much as i'd like a good fight, it was much more fun to just blueball you all then and there instead of giving the EU guys a fight and still losing due to ****** timezone wars.

pew pew
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#73 - 2014-11-30 22:47:49 UTC
TBH, looking at dotlan. Even the day after this was announced the hours from 1800 - 0000 showed the fight going in soundly minmatars favor, presumable smile-n-wave.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#74 - 2014-12-01 04:50:55 UTC  |  Edited by: X Gallentius
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Inherent problem with large plexes is that if your enemy is tied up in BS inside the large plex for 20 minutes, why not just run all 3 other plexes in smaller hulls and make net gain.

Well that's just down to FW's mechanics being broken as hell.
Actually, having different sized ships be optimal in different sized plexes is the best thing about FW. Working as intended (and fun as hell when both sides decide to fight).
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#75 - 2014-12-01 05:24:41 UTC
The market should by itself be a motivation for which faction to join. Amarr faction ships expensive due to scarcity? Help the Empress and make some isk. The payouts by tier are bad in design. Pay everyone the same and just let the market regulate the see saw.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#76 - 2014-12-01 15:58:50 UTC
Zen Guerrilla wrote:

So they plexed without getting many fights, then we plexed without getting many fights. It was boring.

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That will happen when all the fighting is focused in one area.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#77 - 2014-12-01 16:16:03 UTC
Cearain wrote:
Zen Guerrilla wrote:

So they plexed without getting many fights, then we plexed without getting many fights. It was boring.

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That will happen when all the fighting is focused in one area.


Welcome back to the forums. Good to see you havent lost your touch for being completely wrong at all times lol. I dont really want to get into it, since the hurdle matar faced has been very clearly stated here. One clue, it wasnt anything to do with people all in one place lol.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#78 - 2014-12-01 20:41:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Cearain
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Cearain wrote:
Zen Guerrilla wrote:

So they plexed without getting many fights, then we plexed without getting many fights. It was boring.

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That will happen when all the fighting is focused in one area.


Welcome back to the forums. Good to see you havent lost your touch for being completely wrong at all times lol. I dont really want to get into it, since the hurdle matar faced has been very clearly stated here. One clue, it wasnt anything to do with people all in one place lol.


I wasn't talking about the hurdle matar faced generally. I was addressing the comment I quoted.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#79 - 2014-12-01 21:29:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Cearain wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Cearain wrote:
Zen Guerrilla wrote:

So they plexed without getting many fights, then we plexed without getting many fights. It was boring.

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That will happen when all the fighting is focused in one area.


Welcome back to the forums. Good to see you havent lost your touch for being completely wrong at all times lol. I dont really want to get into it, since the hurdle matar faced has been very clearly stated here. One clue, it wasnt anything to do with people all in one place lol.


I wasn't talking about the hurdle matar faced generally. I was addressing the comment I quoted.


I dont think zen would agree that everyone being in the same system is the reason there is no fighting, since, you know, IO have already specified the reason for that lol. Minmatar dominate EU tz, amarr dominate US and AU tz. It literally has nothing to do with everyone being in one system.

Last time everyone was in huola there seemed to be enough fighting. Though i understand that from windows desktop it would be hard for you to know that.

Its literally the stupidest thing ive ever head to claim that more people in a single place leads to less conflict. If the participation was spread more evenly across timezones then there would be more fighting Thanks for your comment, while its good to know you are alive, im already tired of you abject stupidity.

Im going to wait for you to blame the fact that corps/alliances often gather around specific TZ on FW mechanics.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#80 - 2014-12-01 22:28:17 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Cearain wrote:
Zen Guerrilla wrote:

So they plexed without getting many fights, then we plexed without getting many fights. It was boring.

.


That will happen when all the fighting is focused in one area.



I dont think zen would agree that everyone being in the same system is the reason there is no fighting, since, you know, IO have already specified the reason for that lol. Minmatar dominate EU tz, amarr dominate US and AU tz. It literally has nothing to do with everyone being in one system..


I'm not sure whether Zen agrees either. Nor do I care. Why do you bring up irrelevant stuff so much?

Having long periods of time where you gain the upper hand a plex without fights or the other side plexes without fights does have to do with focusing in on one system or small area. If the fighting is spread out then you can get fights while the large forces aren't in that area. But if they just sit in one or a few systems then it's pretty boring.

Crosi Wesdo wrote:

Last time everyone was in huola there seemed to be enough fighting. Though i understand that from windows desktop it would be hard for you to know that..



This seems to be the last time. But if you mean burn huola there were allot of fights yes because it took a while for the dust to settle - ie who is going to be dominant at what times. But once that got sorted out there was indeed allot of sitting in plexes with no fights or waiting for your side to become dominant so you can sit in plexes.

Crosi Wesdo wrote:

Its literally the stupidest thing ive ever head to claim that more people in a single place leads to less conflict. If the participation was spread more evenly across timezones then there would be more fighting Thanks for your comment, while its good to know you are alive, im already tired of you abject stupidity.

Im going to wait for you to blame the fact that corps/alliances often gather around specific TZ on FW mechanics.


If participation were spread out evenly all the time then yes I would agree that less space would lead to more conflict. But, you know in reality it is not even across timezones. So what you have is all of the larger side sitting in the system plexing with no fights and the smaller side is faced with equally bad options. Go to a another system and try to find a fight - only to realize the larger side is all in that one system. Throw ships at the superior side - only to feed them kills and encourage them to stay logged on longer. Or stay docked and hope they get bored before you do.

When the fight is over a single system the side that values their time less wins.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815