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Farewell to all that

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Moglarr
Operation Meatshield
#21 - 2014-11-26 17:01:36 UTC
David Devant wrote:
Yeh, we'll be staying around.

@Bienator - Sorry! We had big bout of soul searching as Kourmonen crumbled. But it was apparent to us that even if we could muster a decent response in our peak hours we were leaving about 20 hours of uncontested plexing. As it is we can't get more than 20 active pilots in a fleet on a week night so even that point is moot. It is literally only our alliance who are left to defend the system with a couple of helping hands whereas the Amarr have a reasonable coalition and Death by Design on standby. We'll still try and kill you wherever possible if that makes you feel any better?



David,

Sad to see your team has decided to depart from FW. Glad that our Amarrian allies are beating up the Minmatar.

Templis went through the same thing Iron Oxide. did, even as far back as when Innia fell for good leading all the way up to the Gallente sweep of the WZ. Being on such a serious end of a beating is rough, demoralizing, and makes you wonder why you're even paying to play this game. I would encourage you to stay with a militia, and redeploy to a new region. This has worked for Templis, it was slow, hard work but combined with aggressive recruitment and unbelievable commitment from our vets we've made gains. We retreated from Innia and Black Rise to open up a new front, and it was probably the best move we've made. Although some of our regular enemies don't see us much any more, we have new ones we hate just as much <3.

If you do want to be a part of a militia still, and you want to occasionally use something besides frigates (apparently, some people do - weird) then I'd suggest you come out to Hasmijaala. Accept the LP from the State, wage war on the Gallente and fight beside Templis.
Veskrashen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#22 - 2014-11-26 20:08:56 UTC
Moglarr wrote:
If you do want to be a part of a militia still, and you want to occasionally use something besides frigates (apparently, some people do - weird) then I'd suggest you come out to Hasmijaala. Accept the LP from the State, wage war on the Gallente and fight beside Templis.

The other option, of course, is to join the Glorious Gallente - we who stood by you in your hour of need. Besides, we're the ones fielding BS fleets to try and take on Snuffbox and other high end lowsec groups. That's a much better match if you're looking to do something bigger and better than T1 frigate grindfests.

You've already got the standings, you already know we've got your back - and our LP beats the hell out of State Protectorate chits!

We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..."

Anslo
Scope Works
#23 - 2014-11-26 20:27:53 UTC
Or just contact me ffs. Christ lol.

Also Lory if you're watching, we still on for our dinner date? <3

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Soren Tyrhanos
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#24 - 2014-11-27 00:09:08 UTC
I certainly have watched all the old footage from years back about the Gate Battleship Fights and all that cool stuff....... what happened that pushed the meta down into Frigates?
Iudicium Vastus
Doomheim
#25 - 2014-11-27 00:45:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Iudicium Vastus
Soren Tyrhanos wrote:
I certainly have watched all the old footage from years back about the Gate Battleship Fights and all that cool stuff....... what happened that pushed the meta down into Frigates?


I believe not a lack of wanting to. But rather some bored Super pilots from various 'entities' who drop their Aeons and such onto anything larger than four T1 cruisers.

So wasn't anything between the Militias or their desires, but rather third parties that lowered the meta.

[u]Nerf stabs/cloaks in FW?[/u] No, just.. -Fit more points -Fit faction points -Bring a friend or two with points (an alt is fine too)

Flyinghotpocket
Doomheim
#26 - 2014-11-27 01:44:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Flyinghotpocket
RTSAvalanche wrote:
The last truely epic fleet fight we had was in sisede where it escalted into alot of capitals... anyone else remember that??

Anyways since then it's been a bunch of fire crackrs that fizzled out... most notable was ESZUR, but they left fw and walked away with out a fight..

everyone in FW... im calling you ALL pussies (Amarr is included equally as amarr in this)

man the f**k up, fly with out ecm, fly with out logistics!

remember the old BC roams... no tackle, no ecm, no logi -- just goo simple cheap fun!

too bad people care so much about their KB stats


probably the only epic fleet fight you had with IO was in sis and eszur.

not the rest of us.


sad to see you guys go, maybe now we can do a fleet together, now that your not the arch enemy.


edit: we hated fighting you guys tooth and nail for nearly every system on the entire amarr minnie front. i will miss you guys

Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro

Jhaelee de'Auvrie
Amarrian Vengeance
Team Amarrica
#27 - 2014-11-27 01:56:58 UTC
As many have voiced here already, it is sad to see things continue to fall apart like this. Good fights were had, especially before LP payouts for everything. You guys leaving means things are truly grinding to a halt.

Thanks for the years of good fights and solid opposition.
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
#28 - 2014-11-27 04:46:26 UTC
Suun Ablehart wrote:
It's a shame to see Fe0 leave as well, sincere apologies if us leaving hastened that :(

FW was a great run for the last 5 years, but the meta has been changing slowly all the while and frig-on-frig PvP didn't secure strategic objectives, at least not for RIFT. I fondly recall to noob recruits a time when BS brawls on gates were "a thing" in FW low-sec. A time when hotdropping wasn't prevalent and we could actually use our own capitals. Needless to say, hotdropping, especially in this warzone, among other things, really reduced things to just frig-on-frig.

Looking to bring back some of the old fun :)


1st and foremost, im a newbie ok? so my views maybe limited.

imho, the effects of Phoebe is pretty much felt in the FW/lowsec space alot. i feel, most of lowsec/FW corps (or atleast my corp) are not too much concerned of a nullsec hot-drop, although it's still pretty much a possibility. local pirates are now exerting much more effort to dominate the region and are fielding more firepower than usual. heck because of these developments, my corp. are kicking up a notch and have a go to train above cruisers to defend our space.

so yeah, BS brawls might be more common in the future, in fact GalMil had already 2 major fights with Snuff with more than just cruisers in the field. Big smile

Just Add Water

Pinky Feldman
Perkone
Caldari State
#29 - 2014-11-27 04:55:12 UTC
Suun Ablehart wrote:
Nobody surrendered. Including Fe0.

The meta is simply changing, and flying around in frigates is not only extremely boredom-inducing, but doesn't accomplish anything.

Enjoy your T4 Amarrs, we're already farming up that LP \o/



David Devant wrote:
Yeh, we'll be staying around.

@Bienator - Sorry! We had big bout of soul searching as Kourmonen crumbled. But it was apparent to us that even if we could muster a decent response in our peak hours we were leaving about 20 hours of uncontested plexing. As it is we can't get more than 20 active pilots in a fleet on a week night so even that point is moot. It is literally only our alliance who are left to defend the system with a couple of helping hands whereas the Amarr have a reasonable coalition and Death by Design on standby. We'll still try and kill you wherever possible if that makes you feel any better?


Now that the shoe is on the other foot, all I can say is that i'm pleased and saddened that it sounds like the Minmatar have finally realized what the rest of us struggled with since Inferno. I'm pleased because it sounds like you guys realize that game mechanics are game mechanics and it wasn't simply a case of Minmatar having superior dedication to the cause.The FW that you've just recently accepted is the one that the Amarr have had to deal with since the beginning. Trust me, your frustrations are things that we struggled against and had to build everything up from scratch.

That being said i'm sad that you guys have fully decided to accept the reality of FW. Long ago when I was an active FW advocate, I was always clear that it was a sad day when ANYONE left FW, enemy or ally. It frustrated me to no end when people would smacktalk and act like the other side was leaving because their militia was too awesome. That hasn't changed and it still makes me sad seeing groups, especially old guard leave FW as it will always hold a special place in my heart. Despite the level of frustration and futility we were all still able to motivate militia friends into fun campaigns and BOTH sides enjoyed great clashes, yet sometimes things just get stale and you can only force narrative for so long. Those were some of my fondest moments in EVE and I am grateful that we had a strong enemy to fight against. Best of luck to whatever you guys decide to do.
SmokinJs Arthie
Black Eagle5
#30 - 2014-11-27 05:45:01 UTC
\o/ JOIN GALLENTE \o/

Plato Forko
123 Fake Street
#31 - 2014-11-27 07:34:12 UTC
thanks for the good fights, even if they were always in huola Shocked
David Devant
CTRL-Q
#32 - 2014-11-27 08:56:00 UTC
I think actually things have been a lot better since Phoebe. The Amarr have been fielding some pretty cool gangs even. The tier system still blows and we would have agreed with you on that for the last year or two. What's changed is the blocs and dynamics of the Minmitar militia. It was once very strong and close knit but has fallen in to disrepair as vets have left eve and once proud corps have fallen silent.

The good news is we're still pretty healthy. The bad news is we don't feel like we have any close allies anymore. We will most likely be back. But we're a mature group with jobs and families and the idea of freaking out about spaceships at this time of the year is very unappealing.
Zen Guerrilla
CTRL-Q
#33 - 2014-11-27 16:52:55 UTC
I'm sad. And happy. Mostly happy. But also a little bit sad. But mostly happy. This is weird.

Things are so simple now. No worries about contested systems. No buttons. There's just me in local and there's everyone else i can shoot. Yeah, i'm definitely more happy than i am sad.

pew pew

Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#34 - 2014-11-28 00:44:34 UTC
o7 good luck space friends
Ya Nor
Seventeenth Battalion
Honorable Third Party
#35 - 2014-11-28 02:51:01 UTC
David Devant wrote:
for now we will be going pirate.


Welcome to the dark side.

I will always remember the people who gave me my start.
X Gallentius
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2014-11-28 04:05:35 UTC
Feels like many potentially cool fights were lost by leaving FW before it was necessary to do so (if/when Huola fell).
Oreb Wing
Last Rites.
Villore Accords
#37 - 2014-11-28 06:13:33 UTC
The jump drive changes have done nothing but reduce the chances of capital hot-drops. On top of that, we have cyno-inhibitors.

It is sad indeed. You will miss the fights that have molded the hearts in FW Blackrise. Those of us that chose to stay when corps fell out, to when the victory propaganda was being spread by Test just when we thought Evoke was at the turn of the tide.

Is it a home that was lost, or spirits that were broken? What do you have left to fight for as pies? One should rather lose his home than his will.

Rise!
exiik Shardani
Imperial Spacedrill and Logistics
#38 - 2014-11-28 12:32:54 UTC  |  Edited by: exiik Shardani
Kourmonen is the key for Huola. Burn Huola was not successful, because Minmatars hold Kourmonen. Last week (after many fights/plexing last month) we definitively took Kourmonen back and Huola coalition is in decay.

Remember day of 25. November when Amarrians took Kourmonen back and way to liberate Huola started ;-)

- - - - - - -

Anyway thx for fights. TZ coverage in FW is not be easily harmonize with jobs and families. It is so hard to hold FW system due TZ... When you plan fight DbD then we have same enemy ;-)

sry for my English :-(

Anslo
Scope Works
#39 - 2014-11-28 15:52:13 UTC
Have fun orbiting buttons while you lose towers lol

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Flyinghotpocket
Doomheim
#40 - 2014-11-28 16:15:06 UTC
exiik Shardani wrote:
Kourmonen is the key for Huola. Burn Huola was not successful, because Minmatars hold Kourmonen. Last week (after many fights/plexing last month) we definitively took Kourmonen back and Huola coalition is in decay.

Remember day of 25. November when Amarrians took Kourmonen back and way to liberate Huola started ;-)

- - - - - - -

Anyway thx for fights. TZ coverage in FW is not be easily harmonize with jobs and families. It is so hard to hold FW system due TZ... When you plan fight DbD then we have same enemy ;-)

no. burn huola wasnt successful because jesus saved them.

Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro