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Update regarding Multiboxing and input automation

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Krane Makanen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1221 - 2014-11-26 13:17:51 UTC
Greg Inglis wrote:
Does this mean that actual botters will be banned? I'm quite sick of seeing this in belts.

http://i.imgur.com/Oi3GynO.jpg?1

Report bot doesn't seem to do anything.



I once spoke with someone who used to BOT CCP cancled his accounts he appiled and they gave him them back just because he said he was not a BOT ing raise the question how will they police this.
Oraac Ensor
#1222 - 2014-11-26 13:18:21 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
ashley Eoner wrote:

So what happens when CCP's connections is being DDoSed or doing it's usual lag at random late hours and all my commands arrive at the server at the same time? From the server's perspective it'd look like I'm using a repeater but in reality all I did was alt tab through a bunch of windows quickly.


Blue sky must mean the planet is surrounded by water (according to your logic)...

Eh? How is water relevant?

NASA wrote:
Sunlight reaches Earth's atmosphere and is scattered in all directions by all the gases and particles in the air. Blue light is scattered in all directions by the tiny molecules of air in Earth's atmosphere. Blue is scattered more than other colors because it travels as shorter, smaller waves. This is why we see a blue sky most of the time.
kraken11 jensen
ROOKS AND KRAKENS
#1223 - 2014-11-26 13:19:00 UTC
Robert Caldera wrote:
kraken11 jensen wrote:

First off all, i would appriciate if you quoted all what she said instead off a little part off it.

nah I dropped irrelevant parts...

kraken11 jensen wrote:

And if you think its just automated in back ground With isb boxer. then you're wrong.

I dont think so it is, per definition of automation. but you might have your own opinion, I dont really care,
all I care about is CCP's attitude in this matter, which I highly appreciate.



https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5217251#post5217251
Well, here you was spreading Your own opinion before this announcment was made.
So ''all i care about is CCP's attitude in this matter'' dont seem right?
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#1224 - 2014-11-26 13:22:40 UTC
kraken11 jensen wrote:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5217251#post5217251
Well, here you was spreading Your own opinion before this announcment was made.
So ''all i care about is CCP's attitude in this matter'' dont seem right?


sure. and now I'm happy CCP is enforcing their EULA finally.
marly cortez
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1225 - 2014-11-26 13:23:11 UTC  |  Edited by: marly cortez
So much for the Full On SandBox' environment that CCP say they wanted, they are already placing boundaries on what players can and cannot do before we even get that far.

Problem here is that CCP have behaved in there usual Tardy and Vague manner regarding the EULA and it's ramifications to players in relation to Multi boxing methods.

As a result we have seen players make use of the tools available, ISBOXER being one of them, had they been more open regarding this aspect maybe this situation would not have warranted this blunt force reaction from CCP in the end to finally clarify the situation.

Overall however I cannot see that this change will affect multiboxing greatly, players are innovative and it will not be long before some enterprising buff release a full instruction set regarding core/client/keybinding assignments and the whole argument starts again.

Mean while on a lighter note, anyone interested in buying several fully skilled mining toons.

Humanity is the thin veneer that remains after you remove the baffled chimp.
Greg Inglis
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#1226 - 2014-11-26 13:28:49 UTC
Krane Makanen wrote:
Greg Inglis wrote:
Does this mean that actual botters will be banned? I'm quite sick of seeing this in belts.

http://i.imgur.com/Oi3GynO.jpg?1

Report bot doesn't seem to do anything.



I once spoke with someone who used to BOT CCP cancled his accounts he appiled and they gave him them back just because he said he was not a BOT ing raise the question how will they police this.


Lol so basically they don't ban bots and they want to ban ISboxers... sigh
The Ironfist
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1227 - 2014-11-26 13:29:28 UTC  |  Edited by: The Ironfist
Sacu Shi wrote:
The Ironfist wrote:
Anyone using ISboxer with half a brain is simply gonna double down for the next month:) Bloodraider smart-bomb ratting is making me 2b per hour in isk and about 1b in loot and svalage after seeing the "news" all I did was resub 4 more accounts next 4 weeks I'm simply gonna smart-bomb 12h a day so that after the first of January I'll never have to do it again. If I can keep it up to 12h a day gonna make close to 2 tril isk the next 30 days.And really what does that change you can still use keybinds just not across clients and you can still use roaming keys you can still use videoFX. Isboxer still gives you an insane edge over the plebs who don't use it or don't know how to correctly use it. Broadcasting was just a easy-mode thing.


Fits
Strategy
Technique
Site

Or it didn't happen.

Even if it did...share your methods :)

Bloodraider or Sansha Space both work minimum truesec required is -0.75 ideal truesec is -0.95 to -1.0
You basically need to have at least 3 Small Heavens (Stargate in the middle).

Tactic is simple warp to the small heaven at zero (ignore the other anoms) make sure all clients have the Stargate structure added to overview sort overview by type so the Stargate is always in the same place in the overview on all clients. Start approaching the Stargate with afterburner on. Once you're within 500-1000m of the Stargate Structure start smart-bombing. For this ideally make a broadcast key to start all smart-bombs across all 4 clients but make sure you add delays so they start staggered with 1sec delay from client to client because if you start all smart-bombs at once there is a good chance you cause anomalies to bug out by insta volleying entire spawns it fucks up triggers.

Requirements
Bloodraider / Sansha Space with trusesec of at least -0.75 (will give you 3 Small Heavens) but I'd recommend nothing below -0.9 because if you go the officer route on smart-bombs which most people do eventually for several reasons... you are going to be too fast and 3 anomalies are not enough to keep it perma going.
4 NAPC pilots with maxed out smart-bomb/capacitor/Navigation skills

Fits:
[current]
Corpus X-Type Large Armor Repairer
Corpus X-Type Armor EM Hardener
Corpus X-Type Armor EM Hardener
Reactive Armor Hardener
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I

Gist X-Type 100MN Afterburner
Large Micro Jump Drive
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Ahremen's Modified Large EMP Smartbomb
Ahremen's Modified Large EMP Smartbomb
Ahremen's Modified Large EMP Smartbomb
Ahremen's Modified Large EMP Smartbomb
Ahremen's Modified Large EMP Smartbomb
Ahremen's Modified Large EMP Smartbomb
Ahremen's Modified Large EMP Smartbomb
Ahremen's Modified Large EMP Smartbomb

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Large Low Friction Nozzle Joints II

Implant_Active=Genolution Core Augmentation CA-1
Implant_Active=Genolution Core Augmentation CA-4
Implant_Active=Genolution Core Augmentation CA-3
Implant_Active=Genolution Core Augmentation CA-2
Implant_Active=Zainou 'Gypsy' CPU Management EE-606
Implant_Active=Inherent Implants 'Squire' Energy Pulse Weapons EP-706
Implant_Active=Inherent Implants 'Squire' Capacitor Management EM-80

To start with you can just substitute the smart-bombs for cheaper faction EM smart-bombs. I'd recommend keeping the MJD saved me a few times.. It took me a good 4 month to aquire enough meta 13 smart-bombs to get all ships fitted up so thats something that comes a long the road and is more of a lazy thing.. because the extra range these smarty offer allows for extra lazyness plus the extra damage is also quite nice. Though if put up on the risk vs reward meter its definitely not worth it.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#1228 - 2014-11-26 13:30:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Destiny Corrupted
Greg Inglis wrote:
Lol so basically they don't ban bots and they want to ban ISboxers... sigh

That's the elephant in the room that very few of the people who are jumping for joy in this thread want to acknowledge.

marly cortez wrote:
Overall however I cannot see that this change will affect multiboxing greatly, players are innovative and it will not be long before some enterprising buff release a full instruction set regarding core/client/keybinding assignments and the whole argument starts again.

This is already really easy, although not an argument I have bothered using so far. All you really have to do is cycle between clients quickly (if they're stacked), or create a mouse offset command using AHK or something that positions your mouse on specific coordinates on the screen with the press of a button (if you're tiling client windows). Both methods are fast, 100% legit (because of manual input for every client), and results in only a slight efficiency loss for most situations. Using the tiling method especially, you lose something like a quarter second per client, which means you might need an extra ship or two doing the shooting. All this means is that CCP will have to find another subversive way to get rid of suicide-ganking when people get around this change, and they will. However, the precedent of bias toward various forms of alt usage will be set by then.

Edit: and now I realize that this could easily be done in a way that only requires one key press for each client, which can be the same key, while still being 100% within the confines of the new rules. GG CCP.

Edit #2: I can tab through 10 EVE clients in just slightly over 1 second without any lag whatsoever.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#1229 - 2014-11-26 13:33:13 UTC
I guess the market is going to be flooded with officer smartbombs soon... looking forward to that :D
Agent Intrepid
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1230 - 2014-11-26 13:44:26 UTC
Krane Makanen wrote:
So will CCP be compensating me for my IS boxer subscription I purchased 2 months ago?
Answer of course not.
Fine they want to bring this rule in, I don’t agree with all aspects as ore prices will sky rocket due to the lack of minerals on the market for one.
I agree it’s misuse in some areas could be a problem, but why selecting and dragging from cargo holds is a problem god knows.
I would only ask that they give us fair time like a 6 month warning.
Yesterday I cancelled subs on 10 accounts as of January I know I am not the only one so it will be interesting to see their end of year earnings in 12 months ^^


6 months, don't be ridiculous. They were overly generous to give 1 month as it is. They could have given much less.

And can I have your stuff?
Jade Blackwind
#1231 - 2014-11-26 13:45:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Blackwind
Burn, ISBoxer, burn.

It may even be not too late yet. Elite:Dangerous just made a big mistake of going online-only DRM, contrary to their kickstarter promise, *and* denied refunds to anyone who played alpha, beta and gamma; and Star Citizen still stays a bloated bubble of vaporware.

But even if it *is* too late, watching the team to frantically rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic is always fun. And the multiboxer tears are sweet to the last drop.

Burn!
Agent Intrepid
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1232 - 2014-11-26 13:47:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Agent Intrepid
Greg Inglis wrote:
Krane Makanen wrote:
Greg Inglis wrote:
Does this mean that actual botters will be banned? I'm quite sick of seeing this in belts.

http://i.imgur.com/Oi3GynO.jpg?1

Report bot doesn't seem to do anything.



I once spoke with someone who used to BOT CCP cancled his accounts he appiled and they gave him them back just because he said he was not a BOT ing raise the question how will they police this.


Lol so basically they don't ban bots and they want to ban ISboxers... sigh


OMG man you've stumbled onto a theory here. CCP is targetting isboxers unfairly, it's abuse! Oh noes!

Ahem. How about stop smoking whatever you're smoking because it's making you delusional.

All that has changed is input broadcasting has been rightfully defined as a eula violation, which means stop doing it. And stop being such a drama queen.
kraken11 jensen
ROOKS AND KRAKENS
#1233 - 2014-11-26 13:49:20 UTC
Robert Caldera wrote:
kraken11 jensen wrote:

neautral reppers i suppose ;) (Your resubbed accounts)
Oh, well. Smart bombs're quite smiple. so it wont even stop afther the update i suppose. Lol


keep doing, but as you cant warp all of them with 1 click, some will get caught while you're warping them 1 by 1,
and this is exactly why recent policy change is good and long overdue.


you can Warp them With 1 click ! fleet Warp, lol.
kraken11 jensen
ROOKS AND KRAKENS
#1234 - 2014-11-26 13:53:01 UTC  |  Edited by: kraken11 jensen
Agent Intrepid wrote:
Krane Makanen wrote:
So will CCP be compensating me for my IS boxer subscription I purchased 2 months ago?
Answer of course not.
Fine they want to bring this rule in, I don’t agree with all aspects as ore prices will sky rocket due to the lack of minerals on the market for one.
I agree it’s misuse in some areas could be a problem, but why selecting and dragging from cargo holds is a problem god knows.
I would only ask that they give us fair time like a 6 month warning.
Yesterday I cancelled subs on 10 accounts as of January I know I am not the only one so it will be interesting to see their end of year earnings in 12 months ^^


6 months, don't be ridiculous. They were overly generous to give 1 month as it is. They could have given much less.

And can I have your stuff?


you really think he going to give something to someone who act like this against him on forum, anyway.
It was an very short warning, indeed. Oh well, if we think on that eve have been for 10 years+'etc
Agent Intrepid
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1235 - 2014-11-26 13:54:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Agent Intrepid
kraken11 jensen wrote:
Agent Intrepid wrote:
Krane Makanen wrote:
So will CCP be compensating me for my IS boxer subscription I purchased 2 months ago?
Answer of course not.
Fine they want to bring this rule in, I don’t agree with all aspects as ore prices will sky rocket due to the lack of minerals on the market for one.
I agree it’s misuse in some areas could be a problem, but why selecting and dragging from cargo holds is a problem god knows.
I would only ask that they give us fair time like a 6 month warning.
Yesterday I cancelled subs on 10 accounts as of January I know I am not the only one so it will be interesting to see their end of year earnings in 12 months ^^


6 months, don't be ridiculous. They were overly generous to give 1 month as it is. They could have given much less.

And can I have your stuff?


you really think he going to give it someone/something who act like this against him on forum, anyway.
It was an very short warning, indeed. Oh well, if we think on that eve have been for 10 years+'etc


Why should the length of time the game has been out for have any impact on the grace period duration? It makes no difference if it came out a year ago, 5 years ago, or 20 years ago. People have a whole month to hear about the change and stop using the software in such a manner. That's more than enough.

He wants a 6 month grace period? LOL good joke!
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#1236 - 2014-11-26 13:57:30 UTC
kraken11 jensen wrote:

you can Warp them With 1 click ! fleet Warp, lol.


oh yeah, right. well. Doesnt affect smartbombers much then, I guess.
kraken11 jensen
ROOKS AND KRAKENS
#1237 - 2014-11-26 13:57:40 UTC  |  Edited by: kraken11 jensen
Agent Intrepid wrote:
kraken11 jensen wrote:
Agent Intrepid wrote:
Krane Makanen wrote:
So will CCP be compensating me for my IS boxer subscription I purchased 2 months ago?
Answer of course not.
Fine they want to bring this rule in, I don’t agree with all aspects as ore prices will sky rocket due to the lack of minerals on the market for one.
I agree it’s misuse in some areas could be a problem, but why selecting and dragging from cargo holds is a problem god knows.
I would only ask that they give us fair time like a 6 month warning.
Yesterday I cancelled subs on 10 accounts as of January I know I am not the only one so it will be interesting to see their end of year earnings in 12 months ^^


6 months, don't be ridiculous. They were overly generous to give 1 month as it is. They could have given much less.

And can I have your stuff?


you really think he going to give it someone/something who act like this against him on forum, anyway.
It was an very short warning, indeed. Oh well, if we think on that eve have been for 10 years+'etc


Why should the length of time the game has been out for have any impact on the grace period duration? People have a whole month to hear about the change and stop using the software in such a manner. That's more than enough.


There is no need for People to stop using isb boxer, but the brodcast thing is whats going to be an no,no.
Also, People going to find ways around it. and still People going to keep ''crying'' lol. some People allways do.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#1238 - 2014-11-26 14:00:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Destiny Corrupted
No wonder one of my ganker friends laughed at this.

I just tested with a few clients, and at lower settings and a few other small changes, you can cycle through them and activate modules pretty much as quickly as you can hit keys on the keyboard. And the best part is, alt+tab is a windows function, and can seamlessly be combined with any other singular input, such as a hotkey for the module slot that your weapon rack is located in. Works perfectly, too; all of the modules were in the ready state when going back through the clients to check if it worked. Can literally slide by finger across a set of keys, like the F keys, to make this work.

Caveat: windows can't be minimized (have to be active in the background, or side by side).

Congrats, CCP. The only players I see this change affecting more than marginally is those who use multiboxing software in a targeting-critical environment, such as logistics in incursions. For everyone else, you're adding the hassle of having to move each character manually, and that's about it.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#1239 - 2014-11-26 14:01:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert Caldera
kraken11 jensen wrote:

There is no need for People to stop using isb boxer, but the brodcast thing is whats going to be an no,no.


I'd blatantly state, input broadcast was the primary reason for people to use it.

Destiny Corrupted wrote:
No wonder one of my ganker friends laughed at this.

did he laugh in that popular didnt-want-it-anyways fashion?
kraken11 jensen
ROOKS AND KRAKENS
#1240 - 2014-11-26 14:05:28 UTC  |  Edited by: kraken11 jensen
Ooops, i forgot to add that i meant to talk about mining*