EVE New Citizens Q&A

Here i am again. I've received a lot of good help/info on these forums, i am loving the EVE Community so cope with my questions please :)

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I am a newbie. Currently around 9mil SP in combat (core, ships, etc), i can do L4 missions and about 10 million ISK from each, with the sometimes loot fairy visiting the wrecks for up to 20mil.

I believe this is a good amount of money per time invested, however, i've wondered if an alt account with, say, Mining, Hauling, and Industry, would top these numbers.

I know it depends on how much time i would be willing to put into it, but, from what i read and watched on videos, Mining, for example, is a semi-afk activity, and industry, well, consists in gathering the materials and blueprints and then waiting for the building time, so as a seconday, where i wouldnt be putting as much time as my primary "combat" account, would i be making more money than on my combat one, or say, with medium involvement, enough to at least pay for a plex for it to pay itself after a couple of months of subscription?

Thanks again :)

If you want to make ISK, mining and hauling are not the way to do so. Trading is far superior to both (especially given that you seem to have at least a couple hundred million behind you).

You probably also have a fair number of loyalty points amassed from your mission running. If you do some research, you might find ways to make a decent chunk of ISK from those.

Can I ask what you want ISK for? If it is to subsidise future PVP losses, there are ways to be effective in PVP without expending much ISK at all. You just need to pick fights well. Good targets are other mission runners - and if you can get enough of them to stop running missions, your loyalty points will become more scarce and hence potentially more valuable.

A 30 million ISK Ishkur fit can kill very expensive PVE fitted battleships, and I've seen a person in a Venture solo kill a level 3 mission runner once...

Hauling is a secondary benefit for my main, Mining, well, i didn't know it wasnt profitable enough.
Why do i want ISK? Well, why does everybody want it? to buy expensive toys and stuff :)

I recommend dabbling in cheap PVP before bringing out the shinies.

I own a Kronos (a billion ISK ship) that I field in PVP when appropriate, but I will use cheaper tools unless the Kronos is required for the job.

You'll lose fights due to your own mistakes when you start in PVP. Best to learn those lessons in a cheap ship, rather than to be *that idiot* whose first loss is a 2 billion ISK Proteus with ten deadspace modules on it.

So making large gobs of ISK can usually wait.

On that basis:

- Mining: Low ISK reward, moderate skill investment, no combat use of those skills
- Dabbling in trade: High ISK reward, low skill investment, almost no combat use for those skills
- Mission running: Moderate ISK reward, low skill investment, some crossover uses for those skills in combat
- Incursion running: High ISK reward, moderate skill investment, significant crossover uses
- Dabbling in production: Moderate ISK reward, low skill investment, no combat use for those skills but they do have real uses for alliance logistics.
- Heavily skilling into trade: Very high ISK reward, high skill investment, minimal combat application but significant use for alliance logistics
- Heavily skilling into production: Moderate to high ISK reward, high skill investment, no combat use but significant use for alliance logistics.
- Hauling: Terrible ISK reward, moderate skill investment, some combat application (mostly for getting ships into place for operations).

When I say 'lightly skill into trade', that means Trade 4, Retail 5, Wholesale 3, Broker Relations 4, Accounting 4, Contracting 3 and Daytrading/Marketing/Visibility to levels you find acceptable. You can start with less than that.

Heavily skilling into trade means Wholesale 5, Tycoon 3 or 4, Broker Relations 5, Accounting 5.

Trading is mostly done by setting orders when online, then hoping they fill overnight and reselling afterward. Start with the module "Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I" as it is in high demand, and is produced by mission runners who are not the end users of the item. I'll let you figure out more lucrative markets for yourself.

FW \o/
Noone's suggested it yet :( Maybe because farmers are hated.

It takes very little SP. A month of training will get you into a 377 dps catalyst, which can clear smalls and medium (maybe large?) plexes, and the payout for that is very good. Assuming t2/1kisk/lp (e.g. Gallente right now) or t1/2kisk/lp (e.g. Caldari right now), you'd make about 17m for about 15 minutes of work (17500lp). It's not exactly 15 minutes, because of the time to kill the npcs, but that doesn't take long with that much dps.

Anyway, info.
Catalyst Fit - http://pastebin.com/gTzqZ8Q1
Skill Plan - http://pastebin.com/rH62vrrA
You will need PGM2, but I'm pretty sure you start with that.
You'll want to learn how to dscan, what's the best way to kill the rats the fastest (I orbit the button at 1k and have my web ready to web the rat instantly). You'll also want to learn a few FW mechanics.

We firmly believe in fattening up future prey.

Go and make yourself some ISK, so we can take it from you later :)

I thought I'd posted my usual advice on stealing from people earlier in the thread which was the only reason I didn't suggest what Kane did.

Mr Epeen, I just checked that very closely to see if you were building it in a POS. If you had been, I'd have wardecced you and held it ransom.

OP - that's another way to make ISK. Learn *every little thing you can* about production, find all of the hints the game does hide about what's being built where, find something hugely valuable someone is building, and threaten to blow it up unless they give you ISKies.

Mining is just dull. Station trading is equally dull but you won't get your ship blown up, and you can make some fat stacks of ISK while reading a book or watching Netflix or running missions on an alt.