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Change the way we Trade Plex !
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Hairpins Blueprint
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-11-22 23:30:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Hairpins Blueprint
Idea is simple, Make it Impposible to sell plex on market after you purchase it off the market.
The plex that was once sold on the market, can never be sold on the market again.


  • Plex will be no longer be an Investmen item.
  • People will start selling theire stocks.
  • It will be imposible to mingle with plex price, and item price will be regulated by supply and demand.



I sincerely believe that this aspect of the game is imbalanced. If any other item is manipulated, player can still acquire it in other ways than market. But plex is metagame item and there is only one way to get it. Letting people to resell it on market is very damaging to community, people are leaving the game not able afford plex, that is in hands of people that generate no content whatsoever.

There are plenty of items in game to scam with, and plex should not be one of them.

The option to Donate was added so plex will not be rendered usles, you can donate the time, Trade it or put it on contracts.



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Iain Cariaba
#2 - 2014-11-22 23:36:27 UTC
Redundant PLEX cost whine thread is redundant.

Reported as such.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-11-22 23:36:47 UTC
Definitely +1

As OP says, PLEX is a special kind of item. I really don't think it's a good idea to leave PLEX prices freely manipulable if you have lots of ISK to play with.

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Hairpins Blueprint
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-11-22 23:52:57 UTC
it's super cool that people bu Plex for $ and trade in on market for ISK


The bad thing is people buy it for ISK and speculate the prize, i know few people that have 250+ stacks of plex as savings fund.


So they dry up the market and don't use the items.
Mario Putzo
#5 - 2014-11-22 23:57:37 UTC
Why? There is nothing wrong at all with the plex market. Demand outweighs supply. Maybe if more people paid for the game directly then plex prices would fall.

Unfortunately people who choose to FTP EVE have to play more when less people Pay to Play.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#6 - 2014-11-23 00:06:55 UTC
No.

Supply and demand gives you your price and there is no reason not to allow player to speculate in that market. I don't give a rats behind if people have a stock pile. It's their game, their ISK, their choice.

Don't like it? Then pay for a sub or buy your own. That's your choice.

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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#7 - 2014-11-23 00:41:48 UTC
If you don't like the price of PLEX, stop using it and pay CCP directly.

If you're already doing that and still don't like the price of plex, capitalize on it by selling some. If more people sold PLEX and fewer people relied upon it for their game time, then the price of PLEX would drop. Quickly.
Hairpins Blueprint
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-11-23 00:47:07 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
If you don't like the price of PLEX, stop using it and pay CCP directly.

If you're already doing that and still don't like the price of plex, capitalize on it by selling some. If more people sold PLEX and fewer people relied upon it for their game time, then the price of PLEX would drop. Quickly.


I am pretty sure that more people invest insted of using it.

If we would make making reseling plex on market imposible after it was sold once, peopel would flood the market with stock.


And the plex price would be regulated by actual Supply and demand
Hairpins Blueprint
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-11-23 00:48:48 UTC
I'm happy that plex is around 1 Bilion ISK now, it kills RMT Cool


But i'm unhappy about the speculations
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-11-23 00:51:31 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Great Idea, +1, I forwarded this to my alliance so they could help support it.


I agree, I think that subscription time being juggled around and repeatedly resold by traders is not good for the game, but the issue is certainly a little complicated. How do you track a plex that has already been traded once? Do you force it to auto-unpackage? Do you have it turn into a new item once it has been bought off the market, if that is even possible within the game code? That would be neat.

+1 to getting PLEX away from resellers that just drive the price higher and higher
Lugh Crow-Slave
#11 - 2014-11-23 01:16:08 UTC
Hairpins Blueprint wrote:
it's super cool that people bu Plex for $ and trade in on market for ISK


The bad thing is people buy it for ISK and speculate the prize, i know few people that have 250+ stacks of plex as savings fund.


So they dry up the market and don't use the items.







And what is wrong with this its a live market something eve has that so few other games do lets not mess with that because you don't want to pay for this game your playing

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Casivek Andrard
True Drone Expanse
Bog Brotherhood
#12 - 2014-11-23 01:28:20 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
If you don't like the price of PLEX, stop using it and pay CCP directly.

If you're already doing that and still don't like the price of plex, capitalize on it by selling some. If more people sold PLEX and fewer people relied upon it for their game time, then the price of PLEX would drop. Quickly.


If only that was true and not a fictional dream used by people to discriminate against casual players.
Steppa Musana
Doomheim
#13 - 2014-11-23 01:38:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Steppa Musana
Mag's wrote:
No.

Supply and demand gives you your price and there is no reason not to allow player to speculate in that market. I don't give a rats behind if people have a stock pile. It's their game, their ISK, their choice.

Don't like it? Then pay for a sub or buy your own. That's your choice.


That is not a good business decision. Here's my speculation.

If PLEX prices get too high people will close down alt accounts and there will be less market to sell PLEX in. It's not just supply and demand, EVE markets are easy to manipulate. A drop in 30% usage of PLEX over the price hike will not necessarily result in a 30% drop in price. What you will have are less people buying PLEX to sell as there is less opportunity to do so.

If they cap PLEX prices you will still have people buying to sell them. Few are going to stop buying PLEX because they can only get 750 million out of it. Capping will however avoid the drop in usage as prices get too high, leading to more overall PLEX sales for CCP.
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#14 - 2014-11-23 01:55:42 UTC
Casivek Andrard wrote:
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
If you don't like the price of PLEX, stop using it and pay CCP directly.

If you're already doing that and still don't like the price of plex, capitalize on it by selling some. If more people sold PLEX and fewer people relied upon it for their game time, then the price of PLEX would drop. Quickly.


If only that was true and not a fictional dream used by people to discriminate against casual players.


High plex prices benefit casual players more, not less. A casual player can buy a plex for $20, sell it for a billion ISK and have fun off that billion ISK for as long as he wants. He never has to worry about ratting or any of Eve's boring activities.

The plex market is driven by how easy it is for experienced players to generate lots of ISK. At the moment, Eve is a very mature game. It has way more veterans than new players. New players traditionally have tried to get ahead by spending more real life money to buy ISK. When I first started playing, this was very common among the people I knew. People would buy plex or GTC's and sell them for ISK to make up for the fact that they could only make paltry money running level 1 or 2 missions. Now, most of my friends spend ISK to get game time, because the amount of ISK you can make from running Incursions or smart bombing in anomalies is insane compared to what a new player can do.

If Eve got more new players, plex prices would fall. And Eve would improve.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Casivek Andrard
True Drone Expanse
Bog Brotherhood
#15 - 2014-11-23 02:23:22 UTC
FT Diomedes wrote:
Casivek Andrard wrote:
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
If you don't like the price of PLEX, stop using it and pay CCP directly.

If you're already doing that and still don't like the price of plex, capitalize on it by selling some. If more people sold PLEX and fewer people relied upon it for their game time, then the price of PLEX would drop. Quickly.


If only that was true and not a fictional dream used by people to discriminate against casual players.


High plex prices benefit casual players more, not less. A casual player can buy a plex for $20, sell it for a billion ISK and have fun off that billion ISK for as long as he wants. He never has to worry about ratting or any of Eve's boring activities.

The plex market is driven by how easy it is for experienced players to generate lots of ISK. At the moment, Eve is a very mature game. It has way more veterans than new players. New players traditionally have tried to get ahead by spending more real life money to buy ISK. When I first started playing, this was very common among the people I knew. People would buy plex or GTC's and sell them for ISK to make up for the fact that they could only make paltry money running level 1 or 2 missions. Now, most of my friends spend ISK to get game time, because the amount of ISK you can make from running Incursions or smart bombing in anomalies is insane compared to what a new player can do.

If Eve got more new players, plex prices would fall. And Eve would improve.


No it doesn't the majority of casual players who mindlessly mine and mission do not pay to play since they can't. I know over a dozen people who will leave this game within the year that each have 5 accounts cause of these prices and they live in lowsec. So here is some math for you 12*5=60 that is 60 accounts that plex every month now let's put that in USD 60*20=1,200 That is $1200.00 that ccp loses a month, nonow they make more than the average high sec carebear that doesn't run Incursions so tell me you think ccp will he around if suddenly 20% of the player base leaves? Let's just say that is out of 30,000 that is 6,000 accounts just gone. Now if 60 accounts is $1200 how much is 6000? Well that is a 60*100 accounts so the math is simple as 1200*100 which ends up being $120,000 a month that is gone. Any investor that sees that will not want to invest and thus ccp slowly loses money till the company changes the situation.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2014-11-23 02:32:59 UTC
Casivek Andrard wrote:
FT Diomedes wrote:
Casivek Andrard wrote:
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
If you don't like the price of PLEX, stop using it and pay CCP directly.

If you're already doing that and still don't like the price of plex, capitalize on it by selling some. If more people sold PLEX and fewer people relied upon it for their game time, then the price of PLEX would drop. Quickly.


If only that was true and not a fictional dream used by people to discriminate against casual players.


High plex prices benefit casual players more, not less. A casual player can buy a plex for $20, sell it for a billion ISK and have fun off that billion ISK for as long as he wants. He never has to worry about ratting or any of Eve's boring activities.

The plex market is driven by how easy it is for experienced players to generate lots of ISK. At the moment, Eve is a very mature game. It has way more veterans than new players. New players traditionally have tried to get ahead by spending more real life money to buy ISK. When I first started playing, this was very common among the people I knew. People would buy plex or GTC's and sell them for ISK to make up for the fact that they could only make paltry money running level 1 or 2 missions. Now, most of my friends spend ISK to get game time, because the amount of ISK you can make from running Incursions or smart bombing in anomalies is insane compared to what a new player can do.

If Eve got more new players, plex prices would fall. And Eve would improve.


No it doesn't the majority of casual players who mindlessly mine and mission do not pay to play since they can't. I know over a dozen people who will leave this game within the year that each have 5 accounts cause of these prices and they live in lowsec. So here is some math for you 12*5=60 that is 60 accounts that plex every month now let's put that in USD 60*20=1,200 That is $1200.00 that ccp loses a month, nonow they make more than the average high sec carebear that doesn't run Incursions so tell me you think ccp will he around if suddenly 20% of the player base leaves? Let's just say that is out of 30,000 that is 6,000 accounts just gone. Now if 60 accounts is $1200 how much is 6000? Well that is a 60*100 accounts so the math is simple as 1200*100 which ends up being $120,000 a month that is gone. Any investor that sees that will not want to invest and thus ccp slowly loses money till the company changes the situation.

You assume that the players who are buying and selling the Plex for 1b will suddenly stop buying Plex simply because other leave the game.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Lord LazyGhost
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2014-11-23 02:42:20 UTC
Like I said before many times....

If your complaining you can't afford to buy plex tor you account so you are free to play.

And you do this because you don't have enough money url to pay for the monthly subscription. Then tbh you need t ok get a grip and work more or harder because 10 pound a month is very little to pay if you can't afford that then should you really be spending your time gaming or Erm..... bettering you life
Casivek Andrard
True Drone Expanse
Bog Brotherhood
#18 - 2014-11-23 02:44:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Casivek Andrard
I am not assuming anything, I know they will but that doesn't matter even if I did that is still 6000 accounts gone that won't come back since they can't pay for game time out of game.that still mean 6000 acount are gone the in game price be dammed at that point.

Also it doesn't matter whether or not they could pay to play it's still revenue lost for a company that depends solely on active accounts one way or the other.
Komi Toran
Perkone
Caldari State
#19 - 2014-11-23 02:53:42 UTC
Casivek Andrard wrote:
No it doesn't the majority of casual players who mindlessly mine and mission do not pay to play since they can't. I know over a dozen people who will leave this game within the year that each have 5 accounts cause of these prices and they live in lowsec....

Do you even read what you write before posting, or does your definition of "casual" really include people with 5 accounts?
Casivek Andrard
True Drone Expanse
Bog Brotherhood
#20 - 2014-11-23 02:58:33 UTC
Komi Toran wrote:
Casivek Andrard wrote:
No it doesn't the majority of casual players who mindlessly mine and mission do not pay to play since they can't. I know over a dozen people who will leave this game within the year that each have 5 accounts cause of these prices and they live in lowsec....

Do you even read what you write before posting, or does your definition of "casual" really include people with 5 accounts?


Yes it does include them as I know more casual players that have 2+ accounts than I do someone with only one account.
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