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Change the way we Trade Plex !
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Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#61 - 2015-01-12 16:45:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Antillie Sa'Kan
Hairpins Blueprint wrote:
You are either dum, or you are a total troll.

Sorry but "pair of boots" have only estetic look and no influance on the game-play.

But plex influence your game. IT LETS YOU PLAY THE GAME!

So does paying a monthly sub. PLEX is just as optional as a pair of boots. It is not a F2P system. It is a way to occasionally get a month for free if you happen to have some extra ISK.

Anyone who thinks PLEX is a F2P system is an idiot and trying to use some sort of "but I can't play EVE any other way" argument to get PLEX made exempt from market forces only serves to encourage irresponsible RL behavior as people try to play a game for free when they should be doing something about the fact that $15 represents a massive amount of money to them.

Your total lack of understanding regarding supply and demand as they relate to PLEX and its optional nature would suggest that I may not be the dumbest person in this discussion.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#62 - 2015-01-12 16:51:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Daichi Yamato
Hairpins Blueprint wrote:



You are either dum, or you are a total troll.

Sorry but "pair of boots" have only estetic look and no influance on the game-play.

But plex influence your game. IT LETS YOU PLAY THE GAME!


no, you dont get it...

the fact that its spawned with real money and it 'lets you play the game' does not mean it HAS to be treated differently. You WANT it to be treated differently so you can play the game cheaper (and by doing so unfairly treat PLEX sellers).

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#63 - 2015-01-12 16:52:03 UTC
Godfrey Silvarna wrote:
Speculation is an inherent and vital part of any market based economy. Taking it away would only make things worse and dramatically increase price swings as useful information provided by market traders is taken out of the system.

If someone makes a profit, they have provided a service worth that profit by correcting the prices to match the true value of the item, as in what buyers are truly willing to pay for it.

tl;dr: Filthy commies, keep your prohibitions out of my EVE!

This man knows what he is talking about.
Hairpins Blueprint
State War Academy
Caldari State
#64 - 2015-01-12 16:55:14 UTC
Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:

Anyone who thinks PLEX is a F2P system is an idiot and trying to use some sort of "but I can't play EVE any other way" argument to get PLEX made exempt from market forces only serves to encourage irresponsible RL behavior as people try to play a game for free when they should be doing something about the fact that $15 represents a massive amount of money to them.

Your total lack of understanding regarding supply and demand as they relate to PLEX and its optional nature would suggest that I may not be the dumbest person in this discussion.


this is off topic ...


Now

  • if demand increases (demand curve shifts to the right) and supply remains unchanged, a shortage occurs, leading to a higher equilibrium price.
  • If demand decreases (demand curve shifts to the left) and supply remains unchanged, a surplus occurs, leading to a lower equilibrium price.
  • If demand remains unchanged and supply increases (supply curve shifts to the right), a surplus occurs, leading to a lower equilibrium price.
  • If demand remains unchanged and supply decreases (supply curve shifts to the left), a shortage occurs, leading to a higher equilibrium price.


Now if you buy all **** of the market, and put only part of it back; your supply decreases (supply curve shifts to the left), a shortage occurs, leading to a higher equilibrium price.

Thats how it works? I think so, please correct me if i'm wrong here.


And if we make it imposible to resell plex on the market, we will leave plex to it's natural flow without manipulation disturbance.
Hairpins Blueprint
State War Academy
Caldari State
#65 - 2015-01-12 16:56:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Hairpins Blueprint
Daichi Yamato wrote:


no, you dont get it...

the fact that its spawned with real money and it 'lets you play the game' does not mean it HAS to be treated differently. You WANT it to be treated differently so you can play the game cheaper (and by doing so unfairly treat PLEX sellers).


Yes Thats Right!! So you can't speculate the sh*t out of it!

And if you speculate any other item, it has only in-game consequence. But plex have Meta game consequences, People stop playing the game!
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#66 - 2015-01-12 17:11:02 UTC
Hairpins Blueprint wrote:


this is off topic ...

Hardly. It ties directly into your next post.

Hairpins Blueprint wrote:
Yes Thats Right!! So you can't speculate the sh*t out of it!

And if you speculate any other item, it has only in-game consequence. But plex have Meta game consequences, People stop playing the game!

You want it to be a F2P system so you can play for less money.

People only stop playing if they choose to. PLEX is optional. Anyone can pay a monthly sub.

If whatever you are doing in game can't generate enough ISK in a month to buy a PLEX then you are not contributing enough to the economy to be able to PLEX your account. PLEXing your account is an earned privilege, not a right. Nor should you expect to be able to do it every month in a reliable manner.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#67 - 2015-01-12 17:21:37 UTC
Hairpins Blueprint wrote:
Daichi Yamato wrote:


no, you dont get it...

the fact that its spawned with real money and it 'lets you play the game' does not mean it HAS to be treated differently. You WANT it to be treated differently so you can play the game cheaper (and by doing so unfairly treat PLEX sellers).


Yes Thats Right!! So you can't speculate the sh*t out of it!

And if you speculate any other item, it has only in-game consequence. But plex have Meta game consequences, People stop playing the game!


This is not a problem, this is you feeling entitled to play a game that costs money.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#68 - 2015-01-12 17:26:31 UTC
You do not seem to understand the function speculation plays in a market. This is basic economics 101 stuff. Creating a prohibition on plex sales will not automatically result in more people being able to afford to PLEX their accounts as the number of PLEX suppliers would not change. The prohibition would only increase uncertainty in the supply and at worst would risk a market crash.

If resales are forbidden, the market takes a considerably longer time to adjust to change in supply or demand. If the price of PLEX is too low, countless people will rush in to add game time to their accounts until the supply is low. Then prices will dramatically rise. When the price is too high fewer and fewer people are able to buy plex and demand goes down until suppliers are forced to dramatically drop prices to stay afloat, which in turn leads to too low prices. Rinse and repeat.

Speculators provide knowbledge about what the true optimal price may be and massively even out these price fluctuations by buying excess supply when the prices are too low and selling their stock when prices are too high. The more and better speculators there are, the closer the prices are to what perfect and complete information about the true supply and demand would dictate.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2015-01-12 20:43:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Reaver Glitterstim
Hairpins Blueprint wrote:
But plex is metagame item

PLEX is the #1 metagame item in EVE and soars above the competition in its level of sheer meta. Your suggestion would destroy a very large part of the EVE economy and one of the iconic things that makes EVE special. If you don't like what makes EVE special then go play one of the hundreds of other games that aren't special.


Claiming that removing speculation from PLEX would reduce its market cost is like claiming that removing your spleen will make it easier for your body to produce blood.

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