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Your mistake is that it was meant to hit power projection (not capitals) which includes everything.

right down to shuttles.

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"Act now before the losses become too great"?

Last I checked, the russians were resurging, people have moved around, and old vets have come back with a bloodlust to sate. And from what I can see, it looks like the number of people who are online is increasing as well, unlike pre-phoebe, where they were falling.

"Before the losses become too great", indeed.

Is this going to be like when you tried to teach me how logoff works?

I did look at eve-offline, and actually, you'll notice it's been going steadily downhill since febuary, if you actually did look,, and the downhill spiral kept going all the way until late september, where it finally rebounded, and continues to rebound to the point where we're looking at a 41% increase in the maximum number of people online in 1.5 months. In fact, from what I see, it looks like the increase in people online actually steepened after Phoebe was announced, it didn't dive off a cliff like one would expect it to if "the masses" thought it was a change which'd kill off EVE.

In fact, it's almost like there's a few small wars brewing, where some old players are returning and forming new powerblocs again, and going after space. It's almost like the changes CCP have added are good changes.

I'll gladly wait another 6 months to see what the actual effects are, though, especially when they're combined with the new sov changes, but I'm fairly certain it won't be me eating crow as CCP's changes (sorry, "unnecessary micromanagement") envigorates nullsec even further in the upcoming months. Barring christmas etc, since most sensible people are spending time with their families, not internet spaceships.


No, what you're looking at is commonly known as "the vocal minority". Those who are happy with the changes, and can adapt their way of doing things, aren't going to be running to the forums to scream and shout about how EVE is NOT dying. Bitching and moaning about something is far more likely than giving praise. And the number of people online seem to be indicating that the majority are fine with the changes.

And AFAIK I haven't misquoted you. I have, however, interpreted what you've tried to say, but that's harder than it should be since you've gone from "caps are useless, who would want to fly caps now?" to "CCP are trying to feed cap kills to subcaps", to "caps travelling alone, with a scout, will instadie to any roaming gang that comes rolling through space", something about blops being the best way to travel between staging systems (even if the best ship for that job would be the interceptor), and finally to "CCP are in PL's pocket because the jump changes are very beneficial to them", which is pretty darn long from where you started out.


Funny, I seem to remember you saying something along the route of "I have said what needed to be said and if it falls on deaf ears and Eve collapses, then so be it." not long ago, because of your assumed jump changes' effects on caps' popularity. Now it's "well, nullsec could die, and nobody would notice any of it".

But considering CCP's said they're not denying the possibility of caps in hisec, you're probably in luck. You can soon hide behind the skirt of mother concord as you jump around in total safety.

Well duh, it's been a 1.5 months since they announced phoebe, and the numbers have gone up 41%, to the point where we're seeing 79.7% of the highest number we've had all year long, as opposed to 56.5%. I know some people have a low tolerance for this concept called "having some patience", but jeez, have some patience.

EVE nullsec's sucked literal dicks for years, I'm surprised it's taken this long to get as bad as it had. I've been saying for years that CCP should do away with the dominion sov system because it was inevitable that it would lead to the situation we had up until a week prior to phoebe, i.e. a few major powers, and wars which suck. I didn't expect wars to quit entirely, but I should've.


Ah yes, the drone nerf. I sure see how that's a severe hit, since I see ishtars being used everywhere.

And you can have "a feeling" as much as you'd like, fact is that the change is here, and it's something you're going to have to deal with, but unlike what you're thinking, it will not kill eve, it will not ruin the life of caps pilots, it is not going to make caps useless, or whatever other doom scenario you've thought up so far. Fact of the matter is, it's forced through a heavy change to where some alliances are basing themselves, it's forced through changes in how they deal with and defend space, and it's opened up space to smaller entities (not as small as a proper sov system would give access to, but it's still opened up to smaller entities). Russians are making a comeback f.ex, which I'm fairly certain they would not have done if Phoebe hadn't hit, because they would've been unable to make much headway against the already entrenched big coalitions (unless, of course, they created their own coalition and either hit in multiple places or just somehow outblobbed the other guy, which brings us straight back to B-R.


I wonder how it can be "misquoted" or "spinning", if it's "quite accurate". But please, tell me more about how we can go from "caps are useless, people should get their SP refunded, EVE is doomed if CCP doesn't revert this as all vets will unsubscribe" to "well actually the jump changes play right into PL's hands, CCP are obviously in PL's pocket" without doing a complete 180.


There's a huge chasm of difference between "I don't like having my favorite toy nerfed" to "I don't like the nerf so I will unsubscribe all my 2348234 accounts effective immediately".

Yes, some people will be that shortsighted that they can't see what the benefits of the new ruleset is, you're a good example of this. Others see what the new ruleset adds to the game, and thinks that's rather neat. I'm one of those.

I still don't like the 5LY change or the fatigue, on a personal basis, but I see the point behind it, I see why it's necessary, and I see the benefits to the game as a whole with this change in. And on that basis, I like it.


70% of my chars are in hisec, and never leave hisec. How do you think that skews the charts?

As for "Intrigue people with nullsec or finish her off/kill at least half the systems in EVE", uhh ... huh? There's no part of this change which is going to be finishing off or killing off anything except old dinosaurs who are so dead set on a single game mechanic that any change to it (which isn't a buff) is called "micromanaging" and triggers a ragequit in said person. It's a simple change which, admittedly does have an impact on how you behave in game, but it hasn't reduced the effectiveness of either a carrier or a dread once it is properly used, so the only reason one would ragequit over this is because you're shortsighted, impatient, or has an entitlement issue.

The main difference carrier/dread/supercarrier/titan pilots'll notice is the fact they'll have to rebase more often, they can't jump where they used to (although that's something the FC etc takes care of, so the pilots don't really care), and they'll do more short trips or trips where they have to wait x minutes between some jumps. Apart from that there'll be negiligible changes to how JF and rorqual pilots operate, worst case they'll spend a few more minutes on each run. All things normal people can live with without ragequitting.

The reason behind the jump range nerf is to add more chokepoints to the map.

Jump directly from your station, to another station with a good undock. Aside from the life of your alt lighting the cyno, its perfectly safe.

Phoebe kills 0.0. nerf all Ships in ther space and bring back TiDi and all fight in 0.0

THX cc(c)p, now we travel 20J in 2h, one way. EVE in slowmotion plex run in realtime..


CCP let 0.0 die and open a new World in WH space ..

Don't worry, once nullsec industry's in a much better place than it has been so far, JFs'll probably get nerfed even further.


Yes. It's a short timer, it's not a problem.


Oh, no, we see how things have exploded as justification enough. It'll get even better once the sov system is overhauled, however.

Sorry but that is just bull.. The reason behind jump range nerfs was to stop large capital groups dominating nulsec with easy movement of capitals.

It has failed.
Will continue to fail because the only ones who can move capitals freely in nulsec are Large Capital Groups.

Fatigue is also a massive failure as it does not affect the large groups as much as it does small groups.

All in all PHOEBE is a massive boon to large nulsec groups and has nerfed any smaller groups chances of gaining space.


CCP has once again caved to the likes of Goons and handed them exactly what thy needed to continue running sov nul.

EveOnline is dead, GoonsOnline is here to stay

CCP is creating a game of drones, overlords say jump and everyone jumps. (If you don't jump you are threatened with expulsion)

Large dominating groups ran nulsec prior to phoebe, they still run it now. Post sov changes (if they ever happen) large groups will still dominate.

For nulsec to become playable again CCP need to get rid of (the need for) Coalitions altogether, or at least set a limit on how many members any one group can have.

You will never see "new" content while the status quo of "we can put more ships on the field than you" exists.