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Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#161 - 2014-11-20 17:08:07 UTC
Maybe the worn look could be made an option for those ships, like when you take damage to armor in amount of 10000 times the 100% of standard amount of hp, it would became worn, until repackaged.
13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#162 - 2014-11-20 17:58:18 UTC  |  Edited by: 13kr1d1
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Just when you thought I was gone, I'm not - and today I have commentary about Megathron hulls.

A long time ago, I remember watching an interview about EVE. They were talking to someone in the art department, I believe and the relevant part was where this person was explaining the philosophy behind item designs in EVE. This was pre-Trinity and things like cans looked overwhelmingly different. Anyway, he said that (for reasons I don't remember) everything in EVE was intended to look old and worn and used; rust and dirt and corrosion and decay just everywhere because this isn't a pristine, well-maintained society we're living in. Looking over the ships, I get a strong feeling like we're going back to that kind of philosophy again after a few years now of shiny ships and everything coming into the game looking fresh and new and well-maintained.

While I'm not posting to disagree with going back to those design roots (if in fact that's what is going on here) I do want to say that in some places it can feel a little harsh to see clean surfaces suddenly covered in rust.

With that in mind, I would like to suggest that maybe the rust effect on the Megathron hull be toned down a bit - especially on the inside, between the hull prongs. It gives the whole ship this kind of Minmatar feel, like maybe someone has been spending too much time doing fancy Gallentean drugs and not enough time doing the ship maintenance I paid them for.

The Quafe and Navy megathrons have the same rust effect going on, although their color schemes conceal it better than the base Megathron does. It's a bit less noticeable on the Navy mega, as it blends in better. It stands out a bit more noticeably on the Quafe megathron, where the brown rust doesn't blend in with the black paint. I'll refer back to the Quafe mega later, so keep it in mind.

Moving on a moment to the Kronos, I looked all around the ship. I'm alt-tabbing again and again to keep looking as I write this. It looks a lot better than the last time I said anything about it, so good work on that. I can't seem to find any particular traces of rust between the hull prongs though.

If the hull prongs on the Megathron-based hulls were cleaned up to be more like the prongs on the Kronos and if the color patches on top of the prongs and around the ship were a bit shinier than the rest of the ship, (like how the Quafe Edition's blue patches are just slightly shinier) then I personally think the ship would be much improved.

Obviously I don't work for the art team but it seems to me as if someone decided "T1 ships should be rusty and dirty while T2 ships should be maintained and not rusty." I do remember how the Nighthawk was, though, so perhaps this is a misinterpretation on my part. Let's move on to the final Megathron hull, though.

The Vindicator: Famous (or infamous) throughout EVE, beloved (and equally hated) by many and probably the signature ship of the Serpentis line. It's a lot better now than it was when the PBR was first implemented on SiSi, but I don't think it's quite there yet.

Remember that rust I keep going on about? If anything, the Vindicator has even more of it. Sure, it's a pirate ship and pirates are outside the law and don't have access to the amenities of Empire but we're talking about Serpentis, though. They started off as legitimate science with plenty of science money and started to deal in all kinds of things (including drugs and slavery) and roll around in drug/abduction/science money for amusement. Serpentis ships have always been sleek and clean and above all else almost completely black.

The Vindicator isn't. The Vindicator looks like a black ship where paint has corroded away to reveal brown underneath - maybe like someone left it outside in the salt and snow and ice over the winter.


Remove all the brown from the outside of the Vindicator, like in that notched area behind the outside of the front prongs and in the middle of the ship, where you've got that kind of angular structure coming up above the drone bay and the sides of the control tower. Turn all of that black. If you want to have weathering and rust, keep it as details and not a measurable part of the color scheme.

The forward part of the prongs, on the outside where it's black plating and the rear quarters of the ship where it's black plating as well with those pieces that jut out on each side for hardpoints - those outermost bits of black plating are very well-done and if the entire ship was like that, with the rust and dirt kept minimal (even more minimal than on the base/Navy Mega), then I think an appropriate balance between weathering and sleek black ominous-ness would be struck with the Vindicator.



I dsiagree about goingback to roots. New blackbird and T3 amarr destroyer come to mind. As far as rust goes, though, how can ships have time to rust when they're blowing up or being shield and armor repped? We have nano-bots that clean the hull, rust is an iron thing, and who makes ships out of iron on the hull when there's stronger materials around?


Bagrat Skalski wrote:
Maybe the worn look could be made an option for those ships, like when you take damage to armor in amount of 10000 times the 100% of standard amount of hp, it would became worn, until repackaged.


you ever repair holes in regular metal? It involves cleaning out damaged and rusty stuff and then welding "clean" metal into the hole. I assume nano-bots would be more effective.

Don't kid yourselves. Even the dirtiest pirates from the birth of EVE have been carebears. They use alts to bring them goods at cheap prices and safely, rather than live with consequences of their in game actions on their main, from concord to prices

Kaylin Drake
Profound Destiny
#163 - 2014-11-20 19:29:59 UTC
I've been looking again since the updates. I have to say things are coming along better than they were. I appreciate the removal of sand especially, that's a good change. I noticed some details being added back in for the drake, thank you.

You added lighting to the inside of the wings to the drake in the front and while that is fine and all, the reflection on the front results in a weird color distortion that to me just plain looks bad, would be better if you could tone down the reflection. http://imgur.com/a/QXTRU

It still feels like some ships are a bit low res and details a bit dulled out.. but you seem to be working on that, so I'm happy things are getting fixed.




Nagarythe Tinurandir
Einheit X-6
Ushra'Khan
#164 - 2014-11-20 20:01:19 UTC
CCP Sledgehammer wrote:
Red/Gold inversion on certain Carthum ships was unintended. Should be fixed up soon.


Sad any chance to keep them "inverted" on the crusader and the retribution?
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#165 - 2014-11-20 21:10:36 UTC
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you ever repair holes in regular metal? It involves cleaning out damaged and rusty stuff and then welding "clean" metal into the hole. I assume nano-bots would be more effective.


What about paintjob? Do nanobots have spraying cans? Lol
East Windstar
Eclipse.
#166 - 2014-11-20 23:55:11 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Hey, Sledgehammer, are we going to get the ability to wear the GDN-9 "Nightstalker" Combat Goggles on our foreheads as suggested by this image? This has been a requested feature by almost everyone who owns them for a while now.


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Ganthrithor
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#167 - 2014-11-21 00:35:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Ganthrithor
Oh dear, the new Cyclone and Claymore are way too shiny!

E: also, make the Hurricane dirtier!


E2: the brown parts of the Minmatar capitals look like ass. Well, actually like clay, but at any rate not like metal at all. The metallic bits (the ventral side of the Nidhoggur, for example) are really nicely detailed and realistic looking, but the brown parts (dorsal side of the Nid, for example) are just horrifically generic, unrealistic, and uniform looking.

You must already know how to make those brown panels look good, because the ones on the Ragnarok look detailed and interesting. Rag-ify the Nid / Hel (and to an extent the Nag as well, although it looks better than the carriers because its surfaces are more broken up).

E3: Nomad needs more rust and the Fenrir could look a little dirtier (although the panel detailing on the Fenrir is really nice!)
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#168 - 2014-11-21 15:53:57 UTC
There was a patch today, but nothing has changed on the Carthum ships. So hopefully with the next.

I would also like to add that the Khanid as well as the Amarr Navy ships indeed need their blue lights back. The current white with a hue of puke green is not satisfying. Plus, they seem to have the same window colors as some Minmatar and Caldari T2 ships.

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The Widow looks certainly better without the rust and dirt on it. In general, I would say that some shine at least on the red Kaalakiota stripes wouldn't hurt. These ships are the pride of their production lines, I am sure these ruthless corporate monsters want to express that at least in such a subtle way.

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As far as I've seen, some of the Minmatar T2s also suffer from this flatness in their light reflections.

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Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
#169 - 2014-11-21 17:30:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Makoto Priano
Just checked today, and the KK and Guristas ships look great. I'm glad that the Onyx got back the KK-standard double stripes, and the Guristas ships look like they've got some subtle but effective blacklining around the panels that really makes 'em pop.

One thing to note: I feel like the Vulture doesn't match up with the Eagle or Harpy-- the panel demarcations seem both a bit too broad, and a bit too deep, as if someone had gouged out the path on a model with too-wide a blade.

I'd definitely recommend lowering the impact of those. The ideal, for me, is the dipped-in-gold sheen and smoothness of the new Eagle, which is just amazing.

Also, I just checked the Golem and the Cerberus again-- I wonder if the Lai Dai accent marks haven't gone too orange? They were previously a goldenrod yellow, a deeper, subtly green yellow that I thought popped nicely in contrast to the slightly olive tone of the main hull. Thoughts? (edit: on review, this applies across the Lai Dai line: Hawks, Basilisks, Craptors, Kitsunes, also.)

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#170 - 2014-11-21 18:15:52 UTC
I'm not entirely sure why the Kaalakiota ships have had a base colour change from black to dark grey. I think this is partially why they look washed out, as there's less of a contrast between grey and red stripes and black and red stripes. The Barghest is still missing all of the awesome panel shading, texturing and details. Seeing as how this is supposed to be a "stealth" ship, could it just be changed to matte black instead per the original artist renderings?

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Leonard Nimoy II
Doomheim
#171 - 2014-11-21 22:10:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Leonard Nimoy II
Can the Cynabal plz go back to being black :( Angel cartel is of the few color schemes in game that really does not need to be touched at all.

Aside from that some ships look washed out? Ashimmu, dram, phantasm. EDIT: Add Kronos, navy domi, stratios to that list. I think the nemesis is the worst case of this (see image below).

image below

In some cases the opposite is happening - contrast is almost blinding (e.g. tormentor, punisher).

Also - In many cases blacks are not black. Seems that solid blacks are actually almost gone, instead replaced by light grey. For example the leopard is fairly light in color. IMO most ships look better in their current state versus what's on sisi atm - although I know what's on the test server is a work in progress and probably doesn't reflect the final product.

EDIT: Last edit....it's also resulted in reduced frame rate and a bit of lag on a machine that has never had any of these issues in the past.
Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
#172 - 2014-11-21 23:16:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Unezka Turigahl
The Blackbird is a cool model, but its hard to read. It's like the light doesn't interact with it well. The planes aren't differentiated enough. Not only the planes, but also entire forms. Look at it from the side and the big tower thing just kind of gets lost and blends into the rest of the ship. Maybe it needs a darker gray tone strategically placed. The texture also looks low res.

Makoto Priano wrote:
Just checked today, and the KK and Guristas ships look great. I'm glad that the Onyx got back the KK-standard double stripes

Onyx does indeed look much much better now with the simple stripes rather than the scattered red spots it had before.

Makoto Priano wrote:

The ideal, for me, is the dipped-in-gold sheen and smoothness of the new Eagle, which is just amazing.

All the Ishukone fade needs to get thrown out the window in my opinion. It still looks bad. The simple stripes on the Rhea is the better direction.

Arthur Aihaken wrote:

I'm not entirely sure why the Kaalakiota ships have had a base colour change from black to dark grey. I think this is partially why they look washed out, as there's less of a contrast between grey and red stripes and black and red stripes.

Well it's darker than it is on TQ. Both the base color and the red. And it's actually red now, instead of orange/pink. Pure black doesn't seem to work very well, just look at the Claymore. It turns into a jumbled blob. Though... some of the other Core Complexion ships aren't as bad. Maybe the Claymore is just too shiny.

Leonard Nimoy II wrote:

Can the Cynabal plz go back to being black :( "angel cartel needs color improvements" said no person ever. One of the few color schemes in game that really does not need to be touched at all.

I miss the solid color reddish brownish "black" that Angel ships used to be. It was a unique color and worked well with their sleek forms.
Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
#173 - 2014-11-22 00:46:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Unezka Turigahl
Ganthrithor
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#174 - 2014-11-22 03:22:37 UTC
Unezka Turigahl wrote:

All the Ishukone fade needs to get thrown out the window in my opinion. It still looks bad. The simple stripes on the Rhea is the better direction.


The whole gold thing on the Ishukone ships is a disaster IMHO. Remember the old days when Ishukone ships had cool urban / snow camo paintjobs? Those were the days! Those ships looked amazingly cool. I wish they'd bring that livery back.

On another note, I saw people mentioning a new pass on the Kalakkiota ships, so I checked those out again today. Can't say I'm a fan of the changes. The Nighthawk still looks decent, but the Widow looks stupidly sanitized now. The Onyx is an improvement in the livery layout (The red chevrons are back! Hooray! Now put them on the Rook!), but still looks too clean IMHO.

Basically, CCP should have whoever is responsible for the Sabre / Scimitar skins go over every single ship and apply fine weathering details like those across the board. Those ships look so good it's unreal: there's weathering all over them, but it's subtle and realistic looking. A+ to whoever did those skins.

Oh, and the new Gila skin is a big improvement. I like the additional contrast and weathering on that ship. Looks much less washed out and clay-like now.

Edit: Oh man, the Naga looks really good, too! If you could make more Caldari T1 stuff look like that...
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#175 - 2014-11-22 03:44:21 UTC

+1 on this idea!

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Aglais
Ice-Storm
#176 - 2014-11-22 04:01:12 UTC


All of my support goes to this.
Warde Guildencrantz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#177 - 2014-11-22 04:07:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Warde Guildencrantz
Eh, now the kaalakiota ships are dark grey again. Hope that doesnt stay that way.

Moreover, most of the caldari reworks are reverted it seems, but I'm not sure. Hopefully temporary.

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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#178 - 2014-11-22 07:35:23 UTC


If the base color does not stay this gray and is turned into black as it is on TQ, I am fully behind this color theme. Looks very neat.

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Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
#179 - 2014-11-22 07:35:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Unezka Turigahl
Another shot of what a more subtle Eagle could look like

More hi-tech and sci-fi looking I think. I also think it would be cool if it had a white-ish underbelly. More bird-like.

Rivr Luzade wrote:

If the base color does not stay this gray and is turned into black as it is on TQ, I am fully behind this color theme. Looks very neat.


Eh... I don't like it in black... It starts to look like a bee and not a cute little hitech robot birdie. Gray/Yellow/White is reminding me of a little warbler or titmouse or something. :3
Arla Sarain
#180 - 2014-11-22 11:08:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Arla Sarain
Unezka Turigahl wrote:
Another shot of what a more subtle Eagle could look like

More hi-tech and sci-fi looking I think. I also think it would be cool if it had a white-ish underbelly. More bird-like.
its a lot nicer

That's a lot nicer