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While we are killing sacred cows, how about nerfing npcs?

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Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
#1 - 2014-11-17 05:33:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Terranid Meester
I mean having enemy npc's in high sec in the hundreds of thousands is hardly that lore friendly and only having one type to fight in belts and anomalies is probably pretty stale by now, maybe they should be removed from high sec belts completely and the amount of anomalies reduced and changed to not just be one type of npcs [though you get rogue drones everywhere] that habit that space, but say angels suddenly appearing in high sec Genesis. Maybe even the signatures should get the go around?

Npc's could still occur in belts but it would be part of rarer anomalies, you could have say instead of serpentis. some sansha as left-over from a sansha incursion, some eom battleships that have managed to pass through a wormhole. In fact npc bleed from regions with different npcs could be a thing. A greater variety of npcs in the belts might be quite good too. Maybe even add some neutral npcs to belts, representing the corps that have stations in a system. Anomalies could send your to a planet, moon or station to attack npcs there.

Should agent missions be focused on continous attacks on guristas at the very heart of caldari space, or should it be about other things like rescue, isk making, drug recovery, industry etc without having to kill an npc? Maybe more kill missions should send you to low sec. Maybe fewer npcs with enhanced abilities would be a better way of doing things, and/or fw missions/plexes in high sec.
King Fu Hostile
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#2 - 2014-11-17 06:00:46 UTC
There shouldn't be any pirates in hisec, and Incursion should turn a hisec system into lowsec.

Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#3 - 2014-11-17 07:28:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
Terranid Meester wrote:
...and/or fw missions/plexes in high sec.

You should not have said that. Roll

Besides of that, I wouldn't want to go to Low sec from High sec to run a mission. There would be no getting through the gate for the mission ship, having missions ships stored in every possible Low sec is not exactly enticing either and being able to finish or run a mission, let alone many missions there, is hardly possible as there would be combat probes around 23/7.

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Mike Azariah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-11-17 07:45:09 UTC
Be careful what you ask for.

If you want dynamic security space, fine. Then where lots of pirates or anomolies are run the sec would climb as law asserted itself. Null constellations could (with effort) slowly become hisec. Nullbears would become nomadic as the fields they tilled slowly became barren as the pirates moved on and Concord moved in.

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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#5 - 2014-11-17 08:11:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
Mike Azariah wrote:
Be careful what you ask for.

If you want dynamic security space, fine. Then where lots of pirates or anomolies are run the sec would climb as law asserted itself. Null constellations could (with effort) slowly become hisec. Nullbears would become nomadic as the fields they tilled slowly became barren as the pirates moved on and Concord moved in.

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Obviously, this system would not apply to Null sec or Low sec. Roll

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Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#6 - 2014-11-17 09:30:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Zappity
I would LOVE to see proper dynamic sec status. It would fix Jita's wagon good. And nullsec bears.

Edit: probably more than a few wormholes, too, which would be absolutely hilarious.

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CCP Falcon
#7 - 2014-11-17 10:22:53 UTC
Mike Azariah wrote:
Be careful what you ask for.

If you want dynamic security space, fine. Then where lots of pirates or anomolies are run the sec would climb as law asserted itself. Null constellations could (with effort) slowly become hisec. Nullbears would become nomadic as the fields they tilled slowly became barren as the pirates moved on and Concord moved in.

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TEH HORROR!

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CCP Leeloo
C C P
C C P Alliance
#8 - 2014-11-17 10:23:28 UTC
Mike Azariah wrote:
Be careful what you ask for.

If you want dynamic security space, fine. Then where lots of pirates or anomolies are run the sec would climb as law asserted itself. Null constellations could (with effort) slowly become hisec. Nullbears would become nomadic as the fields they tilled slowly became barren as the pirates moved on and Concord moved in.

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OH GOD YES Big smile

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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#9 - 2014-11-17 10:38:05 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Mike Azariah wrote:
Be careful what you ask for.

If you want dynamic security space, fine. Then where lots of pirates or anomolies are run the sec would climb as law asserted itself. Null constellations could (with effort) slowly become hisec. Nullbears would become nomadic as the fields they tilled slowly became barren as the pirates moved on and Concord moved in.

m


TEH HORROR!

Shocked

Considering the whining of Null sec residents about the slightest changes to their holy cash cows, I would say it would be the horror for them. I mean, you can't expect them to move around their space, let alone the entire universe on the search for better ratting grounds after they obliterated the pirates in one region. And more High sec, gosh! More space for the risk-averse hordes in Empire space. That can't happen under no circumstances. So, obviously Low sec and Null sec would be exempted from that system. Roll

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Gawain Edmond
Khanid Bureau of Industry
#10 - 2014-11-17 10:42:00 UTC
Mike Azariah wrote:
Be careful what you ask for.

If you want dynamic security space, fine. Then where lots of pirates or anomolies are run the sec would climb as law asserted itself. Null constellations could (with effort) slowly become hisec. Nullbears would become nomadic as the fields they tilled slowly became barren as the pirates moved on and Concord moved in.

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please tell me this is going to happen?
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#11 - 2014-11-17 11:08:15 UTC
so not only no more sacred cows, no more cash cows too?

That would be quite unsettling for some.

Whilst it is always tempting to drop the hammer on other player groups, so long as it is not one"s own, the idea of dynamic Sec status, has some merit.

But It is worth remembering, If you are going to do changes that involve a big stick, a carrot also is needed to keep things reasonable.

Now, Of course with the new space coming, a switch (often a narrow flexible stick used to spur on a pack animal) may be needed to encourage people to look outside their comfy and familiar environment. But the carrot the other side waiting is a nice balance to that.

it will be interesting to see the mechanics involved in both parts of that equation.Shocked

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Arla Sarain
#12 - 2014-11-17 13:47:18 UTC
King Fu Hostile wrote:
There shouldn't be any pirates in hisec, and Incursion should turn a hisec system into lowsec.



Boom!
Take that Features & Ideas subforum.
Leyete Wulf
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2014-11-17 14:02:46 UTC
Mike Azariah wrote:
Be careful what you ask for.
If you want dynamic security space, fine. Then where lots of pirates or anomolies are run the sec would climb as law asserted itself. Null constellations could (with effort) slowly become hisec. Nullbears would become nomadic as the fields they tilled slowly became barren as the pirates moved on and Concord moved in.


As long as super low activity systems slowly tanked their way into low and null sec space I'd totally be game for this. Can you imagine high sec industry having to recalculate best routes around systems which fell out of high sec? Or, paying people to maintain an elevated sec status in a low sec base system in order to keep a route open?
almanac Omaristos
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#14 - 2014-11-17 14:09:52 UTC
hmmm... as a mercenary I approve of this idea.

Sansha has a tendency to really hate on my alliance. This would add some diversity to incursion running, maybe it would encourage incursion runners to come down to null-sec to run some incursions for the smaller alliances that don't have the time or resources to do so.

This would be extremely helpful, as whenever incursions occur in our home system alliance activity tends to drop to zero.
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#15 - 2014-11-17 14:31:38 UTC
almanac Omaristos wrote:
hmmm... as a mercenary I approve of this idea.

Sansha has a tendency to really hate on my alliance. This would add some diversity to incursion running, maybe it would encourage incursion runners to come down to null-sec to run some incursions for the smaller alliances that don't have the time or resources to do so.

This would be extremely helpful, as whenever incursions occur in our home system alliance activity tends to drop to zero.

So, what you want to say is that, when you have the very best money making opportunity in the game right at your door steps, your alliance stops playing the game because it's gotten too easy to make money? Or do you want to imply that, as soon as the Sansha hordes assault your systems, other activities become a bit more challenging and less of an easy-going leisure activity (ie. from Golf down to Rugby)? If either is true, implementing this kind of change really is going to have very significant effects on the game and not many people will like it. Big smile

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Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-11-17 17:28:33 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
Mike Azariah wrote:
Be careful what you ask for.

If you want dynamic security space, fine. Then where lots of pirates or anomolies are run the sec would climb as law asserted itself. Null constellations could (with effort) slowly become hisec. Nullbears would become nomadic as the fields they tilled slowly became barren as the pirates moved on and Concord moved in.

m


TEH HORROR!

Shocked

Considering the whining of Null sec residents about the slightest changes to their holy cash cows, I would say it would be the horror for them. I mean, you can't expect them to move around their space, let alone the entire universe on the search for better ratting grounds after they obliterated the pirates in one region. And more High sec, gosh! More space for the risk-averse hordes in Empire space. That can't happen under no circumstances. So, obviously Low sec and Null sec would be exempted from that system. Roll


Meh, hisec incursions are still more profitable for the singular pilot than null will ever be. If some nutjob started raising the sec status of my system to low I'd get a new excuse to shoot blues.
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#17 - 2014-11-17 17:34:22 UTC
should definitely nerf high sec/low sec incursion income .... maybe nullsec players would populate 0.0 doing money making stuff instead of high sec incursion alts

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using

DaeHan Minhyok
Logical Outcomes
#18 - 2014-11-17 17:46:46 UTC
Mike Azariah wrote:
Be careful what you ask for.

If you want dynamic security space, fine. Then where lots of pirates or anomolies are run the sec would climb as law asserted itself. Null constellations could (with effort) slowly become hisec. Nullbears would become nomadic as the fields they tilled slowly became barren as the pirates moved on and Concord moved in.

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As long as the ibcome scales, so the more u make the less you'll make in the future as your sec goes higher.
Phaade
Know-Nothings
Snuffed Out
#19 - 2014-11-17 18:08:44 UTC
Mike Azariah wrote:
Be careful what you ask for.

If you want dynamic security space, fine. Then where lots of pirates or anomolies are run the sec would climb as law asserted itself. Null constellations could (with effort) slowly become hisec. Nullbears would become nomadic as the fields they tilled slowly became barren as the pirates moved on and Concord moved in.

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Uhh, no.

Null security space is just that; there is no security status.

Ceawlin Cobon-Han
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2014-11-17 18:23:59 UTC
Certainly stop paying out bounties on NPCs in nulsec. It makes no sense for the factions to pay bounties on rats that aren't in their empire space and are posing no threat to that faction.
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