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Eve Mon - Allowed Yes/No?

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Ryomaru Reaper
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#1 - 2014-11-12 23:37:29 UTC
I am quite confused, as to whether this program is allowed or not.

Read posts saying it's against EULA, and posts that say otherwise. The reason why'd I ask this is, I am quite the new player, I am in a clan, and a buddy told me this would be nice to have.

But, I really would love to know if this gets me in trouble, cause I'd rather not get into any trouble :)

Thanks in advance <3
Carmen Electra
AlcoDOTTE
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#2 - 2014-11-12 23:38:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Carmen Electra
Using EVEMon is a bannable offense. Definitely petition anyone you know who's using it.

EDIT: my dear friend Kate tells me I have sunk too low. EVEMon is legit, in fact, I use it extensively myself.

Bacon makes us stronger
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#3 - 2014-11-12 23:39:34 UTC
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=6765

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Farming Collective of Mould
#4 - 2014-11-12 23:41:06 UTC
Eve mon is a trusted 3rd party application. It is very useful.

Useful 3rd Party applications
Ryomaru Reaper
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#5 - 2014-11-12 23:44:05 UTC
This is what confuses me, for every person saying no, there's a person saying yes. Isn't there a CCP official stance reference to read, or anything really :)
Commissar Kate
Kesukka
#6 - 2014-11-12 23:44:44 UTC
Carmen Electra wrote:
Using EVEMon is a bannable offense. Definitely petition anyone you know who's using it.


You should feel terrible for that.

Troll.

-k8

My Fanclub
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#7 - 2014-11-12 23:46:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
Ryomaru Reaper wrote:
This is what confuses me, for every person saying no, there's a person saying yes. Isn't there a CCP official stance reference to read, or anything really :)



I would think having an open and ongoing thread for it specifically in these very forums (for the last 3 years) would be all the endorsement required.

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There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Jvpiter
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-11-12 23:48:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Jvpiter
Unfortunately there no official Dev post to clarify the legality of EVEMon's cache scraping features, but I've linked you the next best thing.

A Tippia post:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2900614#post2900614



Most EVE players use EVEMon. Do not worry.



E: Dev post further below in thread indirectly confirms no EULA issue with EVEMon:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2900665#post2900665

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Paranoid Loyd
#9 - 2014-11-12 23:48:46 UTC
Ryomaru Reaper wrote:
This is what confuses me, for every person saying no, there's a person saying yes. Isn't there a CCP official stance reference to read, or anything really :)

Welcome to the meta game.
EveMon is fine, do you think they would let a thread stay open for 2+ years if it was not OK to use it?

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#10 - 2014-11-12 23:51:56 UTC
If they won't ban people for ISBoxer, which is actually cheating, you sure as hell will not get banned for EVE Mon, which is not.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

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Ryomaru Reaper
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#11 - 2014-11-12 23:54:35 UTC
Quite, would agree with that. But I've heard about weirder things happening, hehe.

I just want to be sure you know, I am a fair player, enjoy the games that I play, and in 12 years of gaming, never have been banned on any game so far.

I'd like to stay what I'd call a "ban-virgin" I like this game, thanks for all your replies :)
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#12 - 2014-11-12 23:56:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
I run EVEmon with the market cache scraping disabled, because I'm paranoid.
CCP Stillman wrote:
Cache scraping is against the EULA. We will enforce it at our discretion. That has always been the case. Don't expect anything to change. We merely wanted to clarify the matter. Smile

However CCP's discretion seems to be to allow market cache scraping when it isn't used to gain an unfair advantage, or to automate market trades, or to RMT, etc.

When in doubt about such legality questions, petition, but you are likely to get a non-specific answer.

I'm not aware of anything that only uses the API to not be allowed.

I've been using EVEmon for probably 5 years(?).

Note that CCP knows about EVEmon, and has worked with the developers to make sure EVEmon doesn't kill the API server, as it is a very popular application Blink EVEmon even behaves and identifies itself to the API server. I seem to recall some devs posting that they use it too, but I can't find the links at the moment.
Rain6637
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#13 - 2014-11-13 00:02:47 UTC
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#14 - 2014-11-13 00:46:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Epeen
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
If they won't ban people for ISBoxer, which is actually cheating,


Every time I read your posts I get a headache from rolling my eyes so much.

OP, cheating is not what forum whiners say, it's what CCP says. And CCP is fine with Evemon and many other third party programs. There's a list of approved third party tools somewhere around here. Doc will link you to it, if he hasn't already.

Mr Epeen Cool
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#15 - 2014-11-13 01:26:35 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
If they won't ban people for ISBoxer, which is actually cheating,


Every time I read your posts I get a headache from rolling my eyes so much.

OP, cheating is not what forum whiners say, it's what CCP says. And CCP is fine with Evemon and many other third party programs. There's a list of approved third party tools somewhere around here. Doc will link you to it, if he hasn't already.

Mr Epeen Cool

Yes, but on this matter (isboxer) ccp is wrong.
Serene Repose
#16 - 2014-11-13 02:43:51 UTC
What posts say EVEMon is against the EULA?? Never in my life have I ever seen such a thing.
Point them out to me! Why I'll just ... *has catatonic fit*

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#17 - 2014-11-13 03:10:58 UTC
Ive been banned for a lot of things. Using Evemon wasn't one of them.






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stoicfaux
#18 - 2014-11-13 03:37:56 UTC
If people had to choose between EveMon and playing EVE, well, I think we all know what that choice would be...

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#19 - 2014-11-13 04:27:38 UTC
Any third party program that doesn't interact with the client or its files is fine.
This makes the only iffy part about EVEMon the cache scraping feature, and you can turn that off.
Jurico Elemenohpe
Flipsid3 Tactics
#20 - 2014-11-13 05:17:21 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
I run EVEmon with the market cache scraping disabled, because I'm paranoid.
CCP Stillman wrote:
Cache scraping is against the EULA. We will enforce it at our discretion. That has always been the case. Don't expect anything to change. We merely wanted to clarify the matter. Smile

However CCP's discretion seems to be to allow market cache scraping when it isn't used to gain an unfair advantage, or to automate market trades, or to RMT, etc.

When in doubt about such legality questions, petition, but you are likely to get a non-specific answer.

I'm not aware of anything that only uses the API to not be allowed.

I've been using EVEmon for probably 5 years(?).

Note that CCP knows about EVEmon, and has worked with the developers to make sure EVEmon doesn't kill the API server, as it is a very popular application Blink EVEmon even behaves and identifies itself to the API server. I seem to recall some devs posting that they use it too, but I can't find the links at the moment.
Yeah, well, evecentral (and other market data sites) would've shut down by now if they hadn't "allowed" it as seen here, because they rely on market data gotten by cache scraping.
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