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Eve Mon - Allowed Yes/No?

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Jurico Elemenohpe
Flipsid3 Tactics
#21 - 2014-11-13 05:20:47 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
If they won't ban people for ISBoxer, which is actually cheating,


Every time I read your posts I get a headache from rolling my eyes so much.

OP, cheating is not what forum whiners say, it's what CCP says. And CCP is fine with Evemon and many other third party programs. There's a list of approved third party tools somewhere around here. Doc will link you to it, if he hasn't already.

Mr Epeen Cool

Yes, but on this matter (isboxer) ccp is wrong.
Uh. It might be wrong in your mind, but it's their game. They're not going to eliminate multiboxer unless there's a really good reason, because it would screw up plex prices.
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#22 - 2014-11-13 05:32:33 UTC
Ryomaru Reaper wrote:
This is what confuses me, for every person saying no, there's a person saying yes. Isn't there a CCP official stance reference to read, or anything really :)

CCP can be confusing at times. You'll get used to it. It's all part of htfu.

Remove standings and insurance.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#23 - 2014-11-13 05:43:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
CCP is indeed rather fond of hedging their bets on such matters. They often say "Technically this thing is against our policies, but as long as you don't use it in a way that crosses certain lines we'll let it slide".

It lets the public do their thing fairly freely, but for those that try to slip between the cracks and use such things to gain an unfair advantage it allows CCP to retain their ability to crack down if necessary.

Programs that cache scrape "could" be used to do some things CCP would rather you not do, but most 3rd party developers don't go down that path. If CCP officially stated that cache scraping was totally fine, it would open up a lot of loopholes that they would rather be able to close in specific cases.

The same can be said for programs like IS Boxer which has components which "could" be used for more than simply making it easier to multibox.

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KalaaZero
ROTICORP
#24 - 2014-11-13 07:13:41 UTC
When the day comes and CCP starts banning players for using EVEMon then i will eat my dirty socks.
Fly safe.
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#25 - 2014-11-13 07:29:34 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
If they won't ban people for ISBoxer, which is actually cheating, you sure as hell will not get banned for EVE Mon, which is not.


Not really in the EULA sense, what it does is that it allows everyone to do the same multibox setup as they guy with 24 monitors with 24 mouse ducktaped together.
So no as long as you're actually on the keyboard, not that I'm happy about the widespread use of ISboxer either.
shimiku
Zircron Industries
#26 - 2014-11-13 07:56:11 UTC
if you could get banned from using evemon i gues around 50% of the players will get banned
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#27 - 2014-11-13 09:38:45 UTC
Jurico Elemenohpe wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
If they won't ban people for ISBoxer, which is actually cheating,


Every time I read your posts I get a headache from rolling my eyes so much.

OP, cheating is not what forum whiners say, it's what CCP says. And CCP is fine with Evemon and many other third party programs. There's a list of approved third party tools somewhere around here. Doc will link you to it, if he hasn't already.

Mr Epeen Cool

Yes, but on this matter (isboxer) ccp is wrong.
Uh. It might be wrong in your mind, but it's their game. They're not going to eliminate multiboxer unless there's a really good reason, because it would screw up plex prices.

They're wrong because certain playstyles (e.g. bomber piloting) which at one point involved a great deal of social interaction and player coordination have now been reduced to the automation of 7+ characters by an individual.

I don't dislike isboxer because it gives an unfair advantage; I dislike it because it significantly curtailed one of my favorite activities in eve by allowing for it's automation by a single player - which runs contrary to the spirit of eve: that social interaction is paramount.
CCP Goliath
C C P
C C P Alliance
#28 - 2014-11-13 10:35:13 UTC
Don't know the first thing about bannings and such, but I use EVEMon and think it's really great! Also my brother is called Jimi, and every time EVEMon updates I think of him Smile

CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath
Luscius Uta
#29 - 2014-11-13 11:10:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Luscius Uta
Jurico Elemenohpe wrote:
They're not going to eliminate multiboxer unless there's a really good reason, because it would screw up plex prices.


Are you assuming that plex prices aren't screwed up like right now?

Workarounds are not bugfixes.
Jurico Elemenohpe
Flipsid3 Tactics
#30 - 2014-11-13 11:35:14 UTC
Luscius Uta wrote:
Jurico Elemenohpe wrote:
They're not going to eliminate multiboxer unless there's a really good reason, because it would screw up plex prices.


Are you assuming that plex prices aren't screwed up like right now?
50% increase over a year isn't that bad. It's what happens when demand goes up. Demand going up for plex is good.
Jvpiter
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#31 - 2014-11-13 13:51:56 UTC
CCP Goliath wrote:
Don't know the first thing about bannings and such, but I use EVEMon and think it's really great! Also my brother is called Jimi, and every time EVEMon updates I think of him Smile



Let's you, me, and Jimi grab some beers once I'm banned and you're fired because of EVEMon.



CCP Sledgehammer could pick up the tab once he has a few drinks in him.

Call me Joe.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#32 - 2014-11-13 14:47:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Jurico Elemenohpe wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
If they won't ban people for ISBoxer, which is actually cheating,


Every time I read your posts I get a headache from rolling my eyes so much.

OP, cheating is not what forum whiners say, it's what CCP says. And CCP is fine with Evemon and many other third party programs. There's a list of approved third party tools somewhere around here. Doc will link you to it, if he hasn't already.

Mr Epeen Cool

Yes, but on this matter (isboxer) ccp is wrong.
Uh. It might be wrong in your mind, but it's their game. They're not going to eliminate multiboxer unless there's a really good reason, because it would screw up plex prices.

They're wrong because certain playstyles (e.g. bomber piloting) which at one point involved a great deal of social interaction and player coordination have now been reduced to the automation of 7+ characters by an individual.

I don't dislike isboxer because it gives an unfair advantage; I dislike it because it significantly curtailed one of my favorite activities in eve by allowing for it's automation by a single player - which runs contrary to the spirit of eve: that social interaction is paramount.

I completely agree that it's not 100% healthy for the EVE universe and it's player base, there are some notable drawbacks to allowing it's continued use... however, I can't classify it as cheating in any way.

I suppose if it could be restricted to purely non-pvp activities that would be much closer to ideal... but since that can't happen we'll just have to roll with CCP's decision to err on the side of allowing the player base options like this.

I'd rather them be perhaps a little too liberal instead of a little too restrictive.

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Jake Rivers
New Planetary Order
#33 - 2014-11-13 14:58:19 UTC
Evemon is a great tool and I use it almost daily, but my favorite is Aura on my Android phone, that is addicting!

Senex Legio
First Ometic'lan
Krupp Heavy Industries
#34 - 2014-11-13 17:53:13 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
If they won't ban people for ISBoxer, which is actually cheating, you sure as hell will not get banned for EVE Mon, which is not.


Oh m8, CCP just banned lots of people for scamming which used to be a fine profession in EVE.

but to get back to the topic: What feature does EVEMon offer to speed up game advancement for a character or to speed up the collection of items???

How about banning the use of eve-central? it gives you in-game market prices, so you can decide faster which item to buy or sell, thus getting ISK faster?

Really, there is a clear difference between helpful tools and unfair cheating software... JEEZ...
Ban EFT, it will help you figure out your efficient fits faster, thus speeds up your game progress...
Ban guides, if you get information about what to do in EVe, you might become good at doing it faster...
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