Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You guys are aware of the notes he made to the Tug, right?

The slide explicitly stated 'Suitable for moving multiple fitted ships through highsec' - so dont set your hopes too high that it will be so useful in null. He says also its meant to help because you cant move capitals in high - so its an equivalent to the carrier in null.

How do you suppose you'll project power with a JF? Bump them to death with your fat pig of a ship?

not to come across as harsh, but the problem isn't greyscale's (IE CCP's view) in this matter, the problem is locking oneself into the mindset you've stated since the ability to adapt, and react to any given change, and /or situation as best as one can is "the single biggest benefit' to anyone in this game.
Discounting that benefit is shooting yourself in the foot (to coin a phrase)

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Celly Smunt

There is no jump drive on it - thats just what other users wish. Its like the hauler and a jump freighters difference - the tug is meant to make moving loads of ships more comfy in high sec without being able to jump unless you use a jump bridge which will add fatigue to the pilot as to any other hauler. So its basically the solution for the whining that its sooo hard to move many ships at a time and prevents further suggestions to allow capitals into high sec again.

Now that you have listed your stated goals I am giving my opinion that they will fail (again.)

Reason being that you have just made it exponentially harder for alliances to grind space in order to capture it, and so they won't do it. Everyone will just sit in their cosy blue doughnut and be happy.

As you were gentlemen.

Sir, please leave the Dominix out of this.

I think people are forgetting what Power Projection is.



In this game it is the current ability for Capital Fleets to get nearly anywhere on the map to intimidate other Alliances and implement policy by means of force.

That means they have unlimited power projection pre-update. What CCP is trying to do with these changes and the forthcoming Sov changes is to limit how far Alliances can project power from their controlled space.

Jump Freighters are a facilitator of Power Projection in this game, and a powerful one. They won't be touched much by the initial change due to CCP wanting to keep Null Sec industry viable until the can address it more directly.

As stated by CCP, once they fix Null Sec industry so it can be more independent, they plan to readdress the Jump Freighter.

Limiting Power Projection will allow a lot more different organizations to develop without having to contend with organizations from the other side of the map on a daily/weekly basis.

now i can accept that you are putting the jump timer on them when they jump but do not put it on just for bridging with the bridge reduction + the hauler reduction it was going to be possible to keep doing cov ops mining but if the Bridger gets exhausted just by opening up his bridge this will not work for an op to be profitable you will needing to be mining fast enough to fill a blockade runner far faster then 22 min(the current time it takes to cool down fully from opening a bridge)

How can my body be fatigued from jumping if i don't even jump.


the prospect added a whole new way to mine and play the game please don't make it collateral less then a year after it was introduced.

its not like its going to be exploited if you can just keep opening bridges with a BLOPS either the recons/sbs will have to slow boat back or the blops will have to jump to them and gain fatigue.


another problem with this is using the blops to bridge for combat YOU CAN"T BE A PART OF MOST FIGHTS!!!! if you bridge even with 0 fatigue your jump timer is over 60 seconds (not sure if sisi has the 50%reduction yet if not then stillover 30) this means that you can't jump in till after the cyno has closed and most of the time you can't reopen one till the fight is over. Now i know most times the bridge blops doesn't jump into the fight anyway but when your corp only has 1 some times you need to. another problem is for each jump your bridging blops gains 2x more fatigue over the rest of the fleet (one for opening a bridge another for jumping) causing you to build it faster limiting the operations of a corp based on the timer of one pilot

I can see why titans may need this but its going to hit small cov ops corps that don't have many bridge pilots

My point exactly (sorry the sarcasm didn't shine through the previous post). But seriously the change is only serving to strengthen large central power blocks. More status quo, with a little bit of, lets see them figure out how to spend hrs setting up before having the B-R-style fight. This does nothing to discourage these kind of fights, only causes more grief setting them up.

If you want more interesting small fights you need more people living in null.

I feel like a broken record. That keeps repeating. Let me clarify; People leaving null.. is not more more people in null even if they are only renters. Less people in null less targets. Targets now will be a few clingons and the large power blocks, maybe someone looking for an easy gank... If you attack the large power blocks you get the B-R style fight. If CCP makes it unattainable to even lay siege to their sov with what is available now because of nurfed caps. These powerhouses will only grow until they can with larger fleets of subcaps. If sov is too easy to roll then. people will look for more safety measures. This will do nothing to reduce nor eliminate large fights.

If they want more people in null sec this is having the opposite effect maybe a few noobs might come out and try to take sov for a day in a system no one wants.. great cannon fodder. sure fun i get it. But this is still doing opposite of what they say they want.

in dev blog it says

so it seems like just activating it could be intended to give you fatigue.

When i first read it i thought it meant going through it not just using as well as going through it.


so i hope it is a bug on SiSi but if not this is really going to hurt