Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I think if something is able to decloak me I should be able to see it, or it shouldn't be able to decloak me.
If this change goes ahead players cannot fly cloaked ships with any sort of teamwork. If a group of players all warp to a point RNGesus decides where they land on grid so decloaking is inevitable.
There are no tools in game to allow players to coordinate and be on grid together while remaining cloaked.
To remain useful all cloaked ships would have to be used for solo playing only and not in fleet with any other ship (besides being a warp in, yay participation).

ISBoxing or not, the cloak nerf affects and nerfs more than just the bombers, and affects them all negatively. I think your balance pass works right up until that point. Just my thought on the matter I guess.

I can send you plenty of videos of bombing ops going wrong if you need evidence that they don't really need nerfing themselves, but the ways to defend against them need to be buffed.

If everything else needs to be buffed to balance one thing then the one thing needs to be nerfed.

Pretty good summation.
I would like to add that a potential change to bomb damage mechanics may help balance bomb damage. Basing bomb damage by distance to blast center and or applying explosion velocity to bombs similar to missile damage application.

the addition of ehp to bombers at the cost of sig radius is a slap to the face. slowing bomber align and slowing warp speed, is understandable, but also slapping a sig penalty is extremely heavy handed.

Let me elaborate on my previous post a bit: it's pretty goddam clear both from every page of this thread and the reddit thread that the overwhelming consensus of the player base is that isboxed bombers are the problem, doubly so because regular bombing fleets have been marginalized to near obscurity.

This is, overwhelmingly, the position of the player base. On every forum, from Eve-O, to reddit, to failheap and on every news site, from TMC to EN24. Your job is to represent the community, not just to tell ccp what it wants to hear. Do your goddam job, or step aside for someone that will.

I think that the larger problem is not how the decloaking mechanic change affects stealth bombers, but how it affects every other ship that cloaks. While the change may improve things with SBs, it is definitely going to negatively affect any pilot that flies a covert ops ships. Anywhere. Ever. Say goodbye to wormhole PvP. In fact, there are a lot of aspects of wormhole life that will be heavily impacted by this change. As if wormhole life hasn't already been made more difficult in the last month or two, now you can't even move a fleet around cloaked without broadcasting to anyone who cares to hit a d-scan that you have a fleet in their hole?!

You don't solve a problem on one hull by screwing up every other hull that uses a crucial module on the problem hull.

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All the other proposed changes look just fine to me and make sense, because they only affect the hull that is being targeted. Again, the problem is with the change to cloaked ships decloaking other cloaked ships because you're nerfing a lot of ships that there's nothing with as collateral.

Please let us shoot bombs. Because 10 (12) secs to lock and shoot a bomb is totally doable especially by destroyers and AFs. This would be a good role for them in large fleets. I see no reason that this shouldn't be the case honestly. It makes more sense that the bomb should be destroyed than the bomber to mitigate damage.

Clokies decloaking others is going to be a pain for many many ships. I really hope you look at that one more carefully

I've been bombed by a 100 man bomber fleet before. It sucks, we were low sig and armor tanked :(.

i remember the clarion call 4 video of RNK.

bomber bar corp and RnK and other pipe bomb corp are managin with skill and intelligence the technique "few vs many".

i think is a value for the EveOnline community small entity can manage the "few vs many" guerrilla techniques.

The jump fatigue (even for pipe bomb) and the destruction of SB make this a clear direction of gameplay.

But, before bomber bar corp vanish, i need to say that "making bomb run more complicated" is for challenging pilot a good trial but i will point the finger that medium 0.0 pilot have only to follow the primary and anchor.
At moment we have to co-op with clocked invisible pilot, probing in combat between 600 ships and wreck and corpse that declaock us. Find a good spot and theorize without seen if can drag from our invisible tactical, call the warp then align a invisible wing then decloakc and bomb and warp out to another good spot found before. Doing this with 3 volley and avoid every volley decloack the others is really at a difficult level unthinkable for "classic 0.0 monkey".
This is already awesome level of gameplay of eve online when the usual 0.0 blob have difficult in following a single primary and anchor once landed to fc.

I thinked a lot of Gokus but the +15 point of signature against 125mm turret is a headshot too. faster lock, faster alpha. Goku usually wipe with x-instinct and booster signature.... nowadays.. a few point of armor with a major dps incoming is brutal.

I really hope dev and ccp tried to do in a real 0.0 field a bomber wing with 2-3 volley: because i think if they doing is successful i think all this nerf will not to be made.

At least we can rethink about see other bomber in space or give us a t2 bomb with major damage and smaller area so we can think to manage smaller volley like 3-4 and using the bonus of rof (even if with nerf to align and warp speed we already land at tactical with t2 launcher almost reloaded!, no need more rof).

12 sec flight time not allow to bomb the safespot tactical when done fast probing and panic warpout ... a error of enemy fc and we cannot gain advantage :(

please don't go in blob f1 monkey direction this is a real loss of value for the community.