Out of Pod Experience

I'm a backer of Star Citizen.

I would have bought Star Citizen even if it was only Squadron 42 (the single player campaign) without the persistent universe. I've played a decent amount of MMOs and am pretty immune to hype at this point but if it turns out to be everything Chris Roberts has promised then awesome.

As for Eve vs Star Citizen, I'd agree that they're not really direct competitors. At least not in the same way it is with Star Citizen vs Elite Dangerous (I see very little to no reason for someone to play the persistent universe aspect of both games at once). That being said even if Star Citizen turns out to be everything Roberts has promised, I'd probably still play Eve.

That being said, I'm talking from the perspective of a person who is part of a fantastic player-run community (Red vs Blue) and also because I've grown to love Eve. The operative word being grown. If I was back where I was when I was looking for a space MMO (after getting the itch from replaying Homeworld and its Homeworld 2) things might be a bit different. Back then Eve was miles ahead of the next space MMO and even miles ahead of anything that was promised to come. If I was in the position of someone in 2016 choosing an MMO and had the choice between Eve Online and the as-promised-version of Star Citizen (because let's say I only have the time/appetite for one sci-fi/space MMO), I would probably pick Star Citizen. That's not to say Eve doesn't offer anything above SC (it does) but SC certainly does appeal to a wider audience and I think it'll be fanboyishly blind to say that a substantial part of that audience doesn't overlap Eve's audience.

What's the impact on Eve? I think anyone but a fool would view SC as having a negative impact on Eve. Competition is healthy and if it does deliver on what's promised it will raise the bar for space MMOs. It should hopefully prompt CCP to fix a lot of outstanding issues and practices that were once only "justifiable" under a monopoly and also they should take a lot of ideas from Star Citizen. (Boarding party implementation from DUST for example, or allowing Eve players to have NPC wingman that use ships they've bought and fitted themselves etc. etc. perhaps more work on the single-player aspect of Eve and have a team release story-driven missions on a regular basis, the ideas are endless). I think Eve can remain subscription-based but they should just eliminate multiple accounts just and allow players to play multiple toons on the same account). Also work more on the Nex Store to supplement their income (more ship paints, perhaps allow players to explore inside their ship and allow purely aesthetic upgrades to the insides of the ship, heck I'd pay for that even if it provided no real performance improvement to the ship).

The game play in EVE is a joke. No aiming, no tactical use of terrain, very few buttons to operate and fights are mostly about being lucky enough to be in the right ship at the right time. Aggressors have all the advantages and pay no significant penalties for their actions. Suicide ganking empty frieghters, shuttles and blowing up mission runner required items are allowed with no penalties to the aggressor (legal greifing) out of lack of having better content and game play. Scamming is allowed in EVE out of an unwillingness of CCP to police it and they try to say its part of the "harsh and dangerous" world.

Instead of making their game great CCP squandered their profits on crappy side projects.

Through callous incompetence when "rebalancing", CCP Rise killed an entire playstyle unnecessarily when he nerfed and drastically changed the rattlesnake, a ship that was never considered OP, and in total disregard for the people who trained to play it for what it was. The pirate faction battleship thread was over hundreds of pages long yet he did not address the very valid complaints about the nerfs to its versatility, the one thing it was good at.

So I flew a few "dog fights" against drones in Star Citizen.
The graphics are great, still trying to get the controls down...
But overall, it's still a first person point of view which means you spend a lot of time
Trying to follow the arrow of your targeting system in an attempt to fire your weapons for the brief moment you actually have the target in your sites.

It got frustrating quick. It is only a beta module , mind you, but still.

If that's what you think amounts up to EVE game play, then you seriously have no clue. You must have lost ships after ships without ever learning anything, just thinking that the other player was 'lucky' to be in a ship that could take down yours.

Your whole premise seems to be that the target of an aggressor is inherently 'passive'. That's where you are wrong. You should always assume that there will be aggressors and it's your choice to make whether you will prepare for that or not.

If you lose your ship in eve 99.9% of the time you can look back and realise what you could have done differently to at least not get into that situation. Either you took a wrong route to travel, didn't realise something was a bait, didn't know the local environment, didn't know how to GTFO, your ship was fitted badly - or at least you knowingly made compromises in your choice considering all the possible risk, in which case you won't complain because it was YOUR choice that led to your ship's destruction.

EVE pvp is more about tactical awareness and decision making rather than twitch reactions. It requires 'different' sets of skills from most other games. If you seriously think pvp in eve is a joke, then try to be an aggressor and see how many kills you can get.

You will fail, miserably. And then go look at people's vids/killboards where they do succeed where you failed.

There you will see the difference between a good pvp-er and you.

The depth of pvp is there in eve for you to explore. If you refuse to see that then it's your loss.

As for rattlesnake rebalance, lol whatever. I just don't see how it's less versatile than before considering it can still do everything it could do before, within reason.

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You know i've said this in other forum sections but I'll say it here too: some people are just bent. I mean look at that guy's post, look at all the dislike, the disgruntlement, the anger. He clearly doesn't like EVE, and yet he's still here paying (or have paid) for it because you can't post here without a paid subscription (whether cash or plex).

It's dumb as hell, it's like hating Tex-Mex food and yet spending every evening at El Chico just so you can sit at the bar and complain about Tex Mex food to everyone who passes.

Why do they not just go to a place where they LIKE what's going on? WTF is wrong with people like this?

People like to think of themselves as martyrs. It's that simple. They will go to the ends of the universe to keep feeling that way.

Well, EVE Online was incepted as "Elite with friends". It ended the way it is now because of ~reasons~ and so it carved out a nice niche outside of the mainstream space genre... in a tiem where said space genre was in its lowest. Now everyone and their uncle it's developing space games because, hey, SC made 56 million (nobody can deny Chris Roberts the merit of having ressucitated the genre on his own).

EVE will never lose its niche. Who wants to compete with a game that's been entrenched for 11 years? But the question on how many players are as niche as EVE and how many play EVE because of lack of anything better is going to have an interesting answer now that EVE is so multi-account that any single flop could kill it on the spot.

I post this:



Then Captain "Case in Point" Tardbar shows up:

I mean, I don't get it. He doesn't like EVE as much as the unfinished Elite game he's playing, yet he's here again commenting about how he doesn't like EVE....

At the end of the day it's Spite, he doesn't like the kinds of people he's met in EVE so rather than go and do something he likes and let others do something else they like, he spends a chunk of (irreplaceable) time 'trolling' people he doesn't like. What a sad existence.

So, Captain Tardbar, let me get this straight:

You freely admit that you basically used the 10 day recall to troll the forums.
You came in this thread specifically to **** on EVE.
Your post ends with "However, the forums time and time again prove to be toxic."

If it's deliberate: Bravo! Masterfully done.
If you're serious: wut

Well there is an art to trolling. Suffice to say neither ED or SC welcome the type of trolling allowed on EVE forums so I will miss that, but its a small price to pay to see EVE finally die.