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A lot of players don't seem to understand that if this poorly thought change hits null logistics, they'll have to switch to using T1 or Meta modules and ships because a hindered null logistics will mean that T2 prices are going to skyrocket.

(Hint: T2 materials are tied into null moons)

true but if your a big group your likely to have many more capable pilots than a small group would, so and if you need to get there quick this is one way of doing it, and getting an advantage over the small groups.

First off I don't like this change and i think its "stupid"
Yes you have to do something about the problem but pulling out a chair under someone isn't fixing the room.

There is a need to take one big total redraft off nullsec.
Fiddling with this will hurt subscriptions that im pretty sure of.


So back to the draft board here is a few key points i would love you to concider.


#A Cap on the Jump fatigue my suggestion is max 20min, we want a fluid game and 20min downtime is ALOT.
instead of having a stupid timer do the following 0min, 5min, 10min,15min,20min
with the shorter jump range your going to slow down the game anyway.


#B Capitals & gates: If this is going to be a reality I want a 1000mn MWD serious a single drag bubble on each gate and your in for a "NOT SO FUN" night on the town.....

#C This is still hurting Alliance logistic more, I don't wana burn out the guys doing all the hard work. From my perspective
Freigters, Industry ship, Orcas, Rorquals, JF should have the bonus we are all using them I know your going to look in to the Logistics in Nullsec later but Im saying don't wait this have to be done at the same time... ITS IMPERATIVE.
You already messed with the fueling of POS:ES since you can't put a cyno at 0 anymore. yes its a minor thing with an anchord box as a warp to target but its more work. The alliance logistic wing doesn't need it from my standpoint. This is also a key factor to WHY i think we got fewer newer entities in nullsec they don't have the means to do the logistic chain, thus have to work overtime doing it. I would like to see the Loggy ships haveing a Jumpfatigue value that very low even lower then your calculations. There is POSES to fuel, stuff to move out, stuff to move in, posses to put up posses to take down.. angry letters to write ... the list can go on.


#D JB network, this is the big hurt factor for me .... Your cutting down all the trees and realy punishing a character that using JD on a ship. since he will never be able to use the JB network even if he reshipped to another ship.

#E Mediclone, This change is also insane. How about a 8day CD with a skill that can reduce it by 5 days down to 3 days, not only do you get to use with a 8/3day cooldown this isn't an issue anymore is it?



-- Its ok to hurt Force projection
-- It's NOT OK to hurt Alliance logistics
-- It's NOT OK to mess with the JB network.

a JB network is actualy a way to get more fights
as you can ambush a enemy fleet
and seriously i jumped 35+ jumps trough highsec/lowsec/nullsec in a interceptor in less then 20min


This will result in a stagnat Nullsec even more
some parts of Null will be wastelands (no way to have logistic reaches out from)
the defender get another notch on his belt as he alone can drop caps on the enemy pretty safe.
the changes will hurt WH corps looking for WH to attack as moving there fleet to the new entereance hole will be harder.
the changes to JB network will reduce the smallscale fights imho you can't catch the roamers that easily.

please reconsider and do ALL the changes to SOV null in one go .... ONE GO
this changes could very much be ok when combined with other change but as a standalone feature its not.

Low sec space have ~30-50% of global moon materials in eve. So it's no difference for hi-sec t2 production.

Which is to say that it has a huge impact on travel time. It's obviously a false statement by greyscale.

No please don't, because that probably will result in days of not logging in, boot.ini's lost and other typical ccp stuff.

Why not in exchange for fatigue with a cooldown timer call it jump drive attrition, wear and tear like RL machinery suffers when you use it too often without maintenance.

Each jump adds attrition the more often you jump in a short amount of time the higher the attrition gets, you can still travel around quickly but after a long round trip you better get your ship some maintenance parked at a pos near an X-L maintenance array for some maintenance. The more time passes between jumps the less attrition is added. It will not wear off by itself though.

Accumulated attrition increases the chances of a jump drive failure, which could manifest in different things happening like you arrive at your target system but in a damaged ship, you arrive with a severely damaged JD with severely reduced range.
You arrive with a jump fuel leak which means that you will need a lot more fuel for any further jumps. Depending on the attrition level and the maintenance neglect it could also result in a catastrophic failure wrecking the ship.

Of course maintenance would take time and cost isks , maintaining a huge fleet of caps and supers in pristine condition would cost huge amounts of isks, or you could neglect on the maintenance and lose a couple of caps due to catastrophic JD failures every now and then.

Couple this with a staggered reduction in jump distance for each ship class.

This would prevent people from hotdropping everyone and their mom for the lulz.

This would make hoarding huge fleets of caps/supers expensive to maintain. Docked up caps in stations would receive no maintenance of course.

If you limit the amount of ships an X-L array can handle (I used an X-L array as an example, you could also use a capital assembly array or whatever you fancy more), it would also make maintaining a huge cap fleet more logistically challenging since you´d need more posses and arrays.

Players would have more control as to when they are going to sit out the timer to reduce attrition AND how much isks they are willing to spend on maintenance.

This is just a different angle to make jumping around the map more worthy of thought and foresight. Do you risk putting half your super fleet into maintenance just for a couple of hotdrops on 10 man cruiser gangs and risk getting attacked by your enemy who just waited for an opportunity like this?

It would also generate a much needed isk sink for alliances who are getting stupidly rich at the moment.

Just a different approach to the whole long distance travel affair.

Not really, we seem well set to adapt to these changes.

Uh, by your estimation which I did not check yet, null sec space has ~50-70% of global moon materials in EVE. How is killing null logistics NOT going to affect T2 material prices? Are you serious?

For some time now I've seen CCP be satisfied with just tinkering with mechanics and problems. They've been talking about fixing things in blogs, but the solutions landing on TQ have been bland and focused only on alleviating some of the problems. Frankly it had led me to think you lacked the balls to actually alter things from what they are today to properly address the issues and try to fix them. This change has done more to restore my faith in the future of this game then years worth of tweaks, balance passes or marketing talk have. I haven't been this excited about the future of EVE in a long time and I'm eagerly looking forward to what else you have in store for us.

Kudos to the dev team on this one.