Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I can agree about stations in highsec. But not nullsec. Lowsec... debatable.

It actually doesn't mean that. It means that the players are given the tools to make their own content and shape the game world themselves, as opposed to themeparks where the content is provided for you and there is little or no player effect on the game world as a whole.

Sandbox doesn't mean "I can do whatever I want". It means "I can decide for myself what I want to do" and yes there is a very big distinction.

suicide #1

Just registered to post in this forum cause I am not paying for a subscription just so I can post in an Eve-O thread about this. I do nothing other than tournaments these days.

These arenas were intended to give the players the tools so that they could run tournaments. As it stands now to make the SCL happen or any sort of serious fan tournament you need a CCP dev or 2 to donate their time on a weekend to make it happen. Having an arena system allows these tournaments to give the playerbase a chance to start up a vital tournament scene.

To those that oppose this ideas because it makes EVE less real consider:

There are a growing number of people who only stay with EVE for the tournaments. My accounts are max trained and unsubbed during the spaces between tournaments. The ships that blow up are made through the INCREADIBLY fun and amazing and real gameplay mechanics of mining and construction, and they cost ISK if this were to be a TQ thing.

There are many alliances running mini tournaments throughout the year from RvB to TEST in 5v5 or 1v1. Having the tools available so these tournaments could be streamed opens the door for the development of tournaments and the subsequent streaming to social media. If there were an ability for an observer to have the same health bars and whatnot then it would be a lot better viewing experience for the watchers.

For those that argue it would break EVE there are tons of stuff in EVE already geared towards creating areas of more equal competition. For those that disagree that there should not be Risk-free anything you are free to come gank me in a newbie system as many times as you like. I will even re-sub for it.

If your argument that EVE is real, then the next time your boss encourages you to do overtime on a weekend for getting a company more exposure in the field of your business you just go ahead and burn your weekend for it. Because that is what is required to get tournaments running if you don't give the players the tools to do it themselves.

And for those who throw around "sharded" realize that the current tournament is run in Jove Space. These "Dojos" could also be jovian transportation devices which take you to Jove space and back. If that makes you happy.

suicide #2

For those of you living under the delusion that EVE is a sandbox need to step back and take another look. All of high and medium sec space is essentially a theme park. You can push around some meaningless ownership using Factional Warfare however you can make no meaningful changes to any station, gate, NPC corporation, Police force.

Oh and if you are a bad boy then these magical fairy police appear which kill you and you are not able to defend yourself. Or you get banned.

The empire borders don't change, sec status doesn't change, ownership of stations don't change. Players can do absolutely nothing to change anything.

While I am all on board with making EVE more "sandboxish" or providing that gamestyle to players through additional space, those that argue that point need to remember CONCORD and the static high-sec space that exists.

Oh yeah and it seems to me a human thing to have competitions, and leagues. Like the UFC, auto racing, boat racing. Competitions of skill popularized in the media and with prizes for the victors. EVE is REAL, remember. Even if the planets and moons don't move.

suicide #3

I think you mean LoL with it's 67 Million subscribers. WoW is like only 1/10th their subscribers, and EVE is a fraction of LoL. I would prefer to play a game with that sort of financial backing. The features and improvements would be non-stop! But no...

No fun allowed in MY EVE, it will be a terrible game rewarding only those who slog through terrible gameplay to try to achieve something space-relevent! It will only reward pilots who wade tirelessly through broken mechanics in an attempt to find some part of what they dream exists in the game. It is fair to say that very little content exists for players like myself who have played EVE for 10 years. Get in fleet this, OMG backstab that. We have seen it all before. A game that is not flat out Massochistic. Tournaments are at least fun.

There is something to be said about fun, interesting, and cool gameplay which drives new subscribers and keeps the old types happy and playing some aspect of the game. Whatever that happens to be. Perhaps if EVE was not stagnant and people so resistant to new ideas then it would not be in decline right now. My account is unsubbed, and taking a look around I am sorta happy it lapsed. The spell is broken.

I would point out that your "go back to WoW" comment is almost as dated as EVE is. Hope they get it together and find something fun to continue to make the game interesting.

I wonder how many other players are out there who are silent right now because they are not playing but would be if new things were added to the game . . . ANY new things.

In the meantime, I wonder just how many more people have outright quit the game because CCP keeps putting cutesy side projects ahead of POS and sov mechanics, the two biggest, most blatant holes in the game right now.

In the meantime, I wonder just how many more people have outright quit the game because CCP keeps putting cutesy side projects ahead of POS and sov mechanics, the two biggest, most blatant holes in the game right now.

Perhaps you haven't paid attention, but the POS problem is rooted in god-awful legacy code that was slapped together quickly and without documentation back when players were living out of anchored cans and CCP as a company was .. very different. They're working on an outright replacement for POSes because fixing the existing nonsense would take even longer than starting over.

As for sov, has anyone actually had an idea yet that's honestly not as terrible as Dominion sov - or worse?

Anyway, it's silly to assume more people have stopped playing due to sov and pos problems than have stopped because of development stagnation.

Where are your numbers?

Fair enough. This was a side project (which devs are allowed to do) and not a main focus of the game. To think that CCP et al are ignoring null would be an error as they have already stated the roadmap and it is on it.

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That's a deliberate oversimplification and you know it. Development is more than just POSes and your damnable Sov. It's also new features, which we haven't really had any of since Apocrypha.

Numbers came into it when you implied more people have left EVE because of POSes and Sov than for lack of new things in the game. Word choice is important, you know.