Player Features and Ideas Discussion

No, they are not. By definition they remove any possible outside influence (except boosts, since it's pretty obvious that they cannot actually do that).

Which means that the risk of being interfered with pretty much drops to zero.

Now, since your risk is all gone, what are you going to give up for it? I suggest that any ship destroyed automatically has no loot, which probably should be implemented anyway to help avoid RMT schemes that would arise from it.

In addition, perhaps a ten million isk fee per person to even activate it.

Since the forums are being bitchy about letting me actually post, much less edit, I'll just quote myself this time.



I should also mention that as has been said, the dojo structure can be scanned and shot. Additionally, you need to be docked up to use it, as the dojo puts you into a ship assembled from the ships and fittings that it is stocked with. I don't know every group in EVE but if you're part of an alliance called "Silent Eviction", that says "wormholes" to me and .. you can't dock in wormholes.

"No they are not because I said so, despite the factual data you provided about duels being safer"


With the proper setup you can pick your duels and never die, it's impossible with dojos.

You lose the ability to use :

- pimped modules over someone with a t2 fit

- pimped implants

- OGB links

- neut logis

- stations

- friends/alts to bump

- mobile depot

It's simply not the same experience at all.

I love how you quote one sentence and elude the rest of my post



This is factual data friend, please read ALL of my post (I know it's hard, but focus you can do it) before posting and embarrassing yourself.

And yes there should be no financial reward for dojos, that's the point.

It isn't relevant. You keep on ignoring what I have been talking about the whole time.

I do not give one flying rat's ass about your QQ about neutral reps and faction modules, I am talking about the risk of interference by a third party.




I can almost taste the irony. Are you illiterate or what? Are you having this dictated to you?

A lot of players have read this prototype concept and considered that the "instanced space that can't be affected from the outside" is against EVE and what it stands for. Although I agree with this, I also look at the possible introduction of these Dojos from the other side of the mirror. Unfortunately, we have too many people in today's EVE who just want easy kills and ability to disrupt another person's gameplay over working hard to achieve a great kill and perceived reward. For example, consider gank catalysts vs an exhumer; the catalyst pilots require a very low amount of SP and less than 5mil/catalyst to fully fit and achieve the needed level of DPS to "extract carebear tears". However, the exhumer pilot must spend months training the required skills and spend a lot of time working towards the ISK to buy and fit out their exhumer. The exhumer pilot could be properly fit but is still very easily gankable by the catalyst crew. So what we see is an imbalance in the ease of gameplay disruption vs the ease of avoiding said disruptions. So what I'm asking the players to do is this: allow players to have 1 option while in space that allows them to practice pvp'ing, run tournaments, have honorable 1v1/small gang fleet fights, etc. that cannot be stopped by a cyno hot drop, ganking, or neutral logi, etc. with the knowledge that although you cannot directly flop your rage filled epeen out during their fighting, you still have plenty of tools to indirectly interrupt their fighting before and after the fight.

These Dojos will ultimately add a whole new level into the mix of ways to interact in space. It's important to remember that they may take a small percentage of players away from the open world and that we may even see an influx of subscriptions from players who enjoy the tournament style gameplay, but at the end of the day EVE differentiates itself by making every loss have meaning unlike other games that have had their open worlds destroyed due to arena style PVP. You don't get your stuff back, having the best "gear" doesn't mean **** if you don't have the right skills and the knowledge of how to actually fly your ship, and every ship and module lost has to be replaced again. If someone is willing to just burn plex to constantly PVP in the dojo so be it but for the rest of EVE this has a positive affect. Miners are in the belt mining for minerals, industrialist are working hard to manufacture and invent new ships and modules, explorers are out in space collecting more faction loot to sell to the 23.5/7 dojo masters, people are fighting to control the best systems and trade routes to secure a profitable tournament system, and the list goes on. All of these get people in space and get people interacting even more.


On the idea of Dojos, the one change I would like to see is a real investment in the size and structure of dojo to reflect something akin to an Olympian stadium setup; different structures for different "sports". Ideally, there would be 4 sizes of dojo: small, medium, and large, open. The small would allow for all frigate class ships to enter and train/compete/duel. The medium and large would allow for all medium class ships (cruisers-BCs) and BS respectively. The open would allow for any combination of ships to compete and would be most similar to the current AT/NEO setup. The cost of these new structures would be comparative to their gigantic super structures requiring minerals, PI materials, and commodity items like janitors, marines, etc. (these things have no real use in EVE atm) to build.

In high-sec, each faction has set up its own small, medium, large, and open dojo. These Dojos can never be destroyed and are always open to players with proper faction standings (back story: factions opened these to train their navies and then later opened them to capsuleer use in order to watch how capsuleers flew their ships in order to better train their own navies). In order to use the NPC dojo:
-Usage Fee determined by standings for training/dueling/etc in the dojo
-Select a ship load out (determined by the players?) and shown a price to use that ship
-If you choose to use a ship, you pay a deposit for the cost of the ship
-if you win/tie, deposit is returned and if you lose, deposit is kept by the faction
-If you win/tie, the ship you chose is given back to the dojo
-No loot/ISK reward is ever given when using the NPC dojo


Alongside the faction NPC Dojos, players would have the ability to anchor their own Dojos in high-sec, low-sec, and null-sec. Although I'm not a big fan of imposing arbitrary limitations, I do believe some are in order, especially for high-sec.
1) Due to Concord, these structures would only be attackable through a wardec, which means anchor rights need to be limited to player made corps only.
2) There needs to be a severe limit to the number of Dojos that can be anchored across EVE, again due to wardecs and it's a conflict driver:
System Limit - High-sec
There would be a limit of 1 class of dojo per region, excluding the Faction NPC's Dojos. This means that only 1 small, medium, large, and open class Dojo can be constructed per region.
[the goal here is to introduce a huge conflict driver to control the best areas, i.e. the easiest to restock and get participants to the dojo safely and spur conflict as competition gets crowded]

System Limit - Low-sec & Null-sec
There would be a limit of 1 class of dojo per constellation in a region. This means that only 1 small, medium, large, and open class Dojo can be constructed per constellation within a region.
[the goal here is to introduce a huge conflict driver to control the best areas, i.e. the easiest to restock and get participants to the dojo safely and spur conflict as competition gets crowded]

Continued below....

"It isn't relevant because I said so, factual data about game mechanics isn't relevant when talking about said game mechanic because I said so "

You said that dojos are basically duels with no risk, I showed you that duels and dojos are a complete different experience.

Not only that, I said over and over that there is (and it's perfectly fine) no rewards for a dojo player.

If you don't understand why it's ok for people to screw with duels and why it's not for dojos then you don't understand what risk vs reward is all about.

Not surprising coming from people that think eve is a game about "ganking people at anytime because I want to".



Please don't blame your reading comprehension issues on me, thank you friend.

No, I didn't.

Learn to read.

So now we both agree that dojos and dueling are not the same thing ? Do you understand now why you shouldn't be able to screw with dojos ? Do you understand the risk vs reward philosophy ?