Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I don't think people realize that the tools for arena/tournament style pvp are just not in the game unless CCP is directly organizing and running it. You cannot regulate fits, implants, boundary violations, countdowns to prevent early locking, time limits, tidi, spectator cameras that don't interfere with or can be interfered with, pod immunity, etc. If eve was "real" it would be trivial for organizations to run tournaments with these restrictions in place. You can make all the rules in the world but you have no seamless way to enforce them without the tools something like the dojo would introduce. There are mechanics for sov, facwar, dueling, pos bashes, wormholes etc. in the game but there is nothing for tournaments without CCP interaction.

There is a playerbase that highly values tournament/arena style pvp. Unfortunately this only exists on the live server twice a year in NEO and AT. Many players only pvp during these time periods because EVE otherwise does not support their style of play.

To everyone complaining about how this shouldn't be implemented because of potential XYZ exploit, this is a prototype on a test server. If we are already recognizing it now you can be sure CCP will fix it before it does go live IF it goes live. If they don't all the proponents of it will be slamming CCP for not doing something about it when it was a known issue day 1 along with the rest of you. I don't think CCP wants another monoclegate.

Giving players the tools to run their own tournaments (assuming dojos evolve to support this) is a huge boon to the small competitive pvp community and will drastically improve the quality and skill level of participants in the AT and NEO because teams will be more practiced and CCP will have more opportunities to evaluate their rules and craft a more competitive meta.

And if you don't like dojos robbing you of your content then go blow them up! It is interesting how many players here who are complaining about losing out on content belong to organizations that deliberately deny content with blue lists/NAPs/not engaging without massive superiority and also use content denial as a form of warfare.

For everyone complaining about eve becoming safe just remember that losses do occur and the are REAL, AT runs can cost into the hundreds of billions. The ships are REAL, the ammo is REAL, when they blow up there is a REAL wreck just like anywhere else. Just because arena style combat is introduced does not mean CCP or the players are just going to pack up sov, NPC 0.0, FW, dueling, wardecs, suicide ganking, wormholes, etc. and just focus on dojos.

Also keep in mind if this becomes a well implemented function within the game it could draw more subscribers. Not everyone who starts playing eve because they heard about a giant sov fight actually goes into sov warfare. Not everyone who does dojos will do dojos 100% of the time.

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A lot of people want to PvP - specifically they want to 1v1 - but don't bother to try because it's a sea of neutral logi and offgrid boosts and anything except actual 1v1.

A lot of people will say "then bring your own neutral logi and your own offgrid boosts" but that's a lame cop-out answer and doesn't make for 1v1. 1v1 shouldn't require multiboxing or friends. It's 1v1.

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Most of us, actually.

OKed in the form of "Here's a prototype for players to look at, to gauge the overall reaction"

As you can see from the wide variety of responses to this thread, it's far from monolithic, one way or another.

Two carebears. This is hilarous =)

We definitely need a way to boot people from the CSM at any time, depending on their support of proposed features. This is one such case, where two CSM members have shown to have no understanding of EVE mechanics, purpose, and attraction.

Well, first of all, if you can still use an off grid booster then the point of this... thing... is entirely lost.

And if they have finally figured a way to make sure you can't, then why not just force boosts to be on grid in the first place across the board, and fix this so long broken aspect of the game?

Second, I fail to see what this is actually supposed to do, besides putting up "you can't touch me" walls fraught with potential explotative abuse, some of which has already been detailed in this thread.

Actually we answered because we happened across the question. Out of curiosity WHICH of the CSM would you consider YOUR representative and how would you react if they also supported it?

Also you did not read Steves comment carefully.

OKed in the form of "Here's a prototype for players to look at, to gauge the overall reaction"

A prototype is not something shipping in the next release, it is just a test for concept.

Oh and as for 'boot from CSM' that mechanism exists. It is called an election. Next one is coming up in the New Year . . . remember to vote.

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A lot of people want to PvP - specifically they want to 1v1 - but don't bother to try because it's a sea of neutral logi and offgrid boosts and anything except actual 1v1.

A lot of people will say "then bring your own neutral logi and your own offgrid boosts" but that's a lame cop-out answer and doesn't make for 1v1. 1v1 shouldn't require multiboxing or friends. It's 1v1.