Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I think you don't understand that the point of having dojos is to provide fair and controlled fights, fair and controlled fights existed in eve for a long time (the first AT was in 2005) just because CCP only used funny stories about betrayal, awox, theft and big 10% tidi battles to market eve till now doesn't mean it's not a valid part of the gameplay.

I mean, CCP is working hard to provide a good and professional AT stream, you don't like it fine it's a sandbox you can go do something else.

Look at the eve numbers after big battles : http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility now look what happens months after that..
We are literally back to 2008 tier of average people online, CCP listened to people like you for years I hope they are tired of listening to people with metagame agendas.

Seriously... do you think there are so many people willing to set up Dojo everywhere in EVE and supply them with their funds so, 27k people from 30k logged will do arena all day long and nothing else?

Can't you imagine the funds and logistics needed for something like this?
And even if people have enough money and enough people are willing to move around and supply these things... 27k people doing arena all day long will drain the entire market of t1 frigs and t1/meta mods in matter of weeks.

This is not going to happen.
These things will be used for fun and giggles by a small part of the player base.

And if you read the damn thread you will see that this structure have a reinforcement timer and you can blow it up.

Feel free to highlight my logical fallacies and say why I'm wrong, you know like I just did for him.

Unlike you, I don't just post "you're wrong because I don't agree with you", right now you're just circlejerking.

This is simply not true. You can have lots of good solo fights without offgrid boosting.

A match lasts 5min. After that the pocket it's gone.
Even if you use an interceptor and burn the pocket it will still take you a few minutes to reach out. By the time you do that and cyno in your caps to move them in the pocket, the pocket will be already gone.

Have fun doing that.

Also, you can't move around without clones. From the station you spawn in the pocket. You die or the match ends in 5min, you end back in the station. You can't even warp out of the damn thing.

You're like a simplicity bot. Why do you think anyone cares about how you play? Who exactly do you think you are that anyone would care.

You do have a platform, it's called EVE, it's the same platform the rest of us have. What stops "your community" from going to any of the thousands of empty systems and soloing each other to your hearts content? No one needs to alter EVE's flying in space concept to make a tournament.

Hopefully the fine people at CCP (and our CSM reps) will wise up and let this prototype (as it's currently imagined) hit the scrap heap (like most prototypes do) so they can spend time building something fun for people that stays within EVE's established lines.

I'm using their own arguments against them, I can't oversimplify their flawed logic.

It's always the same :

- eve will die because of this (people were saying the same when they introduced duels, obviously pvp and eve died)

- open world pvp died in wow, so same will happen to eve (terrible analogy since wow has no incentive to go open-world unlike eve)

- it's "un-eve" because I don't like it (the first AT was in 2005, structured pvp is part of eve)

And now you're saying ridiculous stuff like structured combat isn't part of the gameplay, it's not like this is a sandbox or anything, your way to play isn't the only way to play, people tried to fraps "fair" fights for years, CCP is giving us a proper platform, deal with it.

There is a difference between roaming hours for a fight and roaming hours for a "good" fight, dojos will provide "good" fights, how many times I suicided my ships into targets out of my engagement profile or gangs out of boredom.

This isn't a feature for you fine, too bad your way to play isn't the only way to play, CCP is adding more options so HTFU and adapt like we say in Eve Online.

What you don't understand is that people have been soloing and gimping their gameplay for years and it's not viable on the long run, CCP is fixing this just like they will (hopefully) fix POS management, just like they fixed the industry UI.

Consensual pvp existed since 2005 in eve, you must be new or something but consensual pvp isn't a less valid gameplay than hotdropping people or mining, welcome to the sandbox.

Show me where I said, Fun for EVERYONE. I said "fun for people", yet in your zeal to watch CCP violate their own principles you lost the ability to read English.

I'm simply saying (and I'll type slow so yo can understand this time...) that CCP doesn't need to introduce things that go counter to their clearly established game concept to eveole and grow the game. They did that with incarna (seeking to take EVE from "spaceship game" to "more in depth sci-fi simulation") and overall that was a mistake.

For 12 years, EVE Online has had as a FACT the principle that ANY ship in space that was not cloaked and was not a newb piloted ship in a noob system (or in the SOE Arc) could be tracked down and attacked.

These Dojos add a new exception, they say "you can be in space in a special deadspace pocket that no one else can get to and the worst thing you have to worry about is someone shooting your dojo". That's wrong for this game, BASED ON it's 1st 12 years of existence and it's developers constantly saying that you should not be safe unless docked or cloaked.

New exceptions should not be added to a games rules except in special circumstances (like how the "no noobs getting shot in nob systems came about). Exceptions should NEVER come from mere content additions if one wants to maintain the integrity of their own development process.

Except you're wrong, CCP provided ways for people to fight with no interruption : AT/NEO tournaments.

Now CCP is giving us tools to host our own tournaments and to pvp in the same conditions.

This won't remove non-consensual pvp since there is an incentive to be subject to non-consensual pvp, mainly :

- getting isk for pve players

- getting fun for corp roams/solo roams against the odds

- defending your territory for null

- attacking people for "tears"

- defending your corp in wardecs

- defending your faction/corp for fw

etc

Dojos won't remove all this, it's an added option that will bring more content to eve.