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Prototype: Dojos

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Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society
Kvitravn.
#521 - 2014-09-25 19:27:24 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Thank you.

Next up, can you test how long the matches last and can you get a booster tengu/command ship in them?

Can't you do that..?
Seriously, you spend all that time in this thread arguing and portray a notable personal interest in this feature/its abolishment, yet you cannot update Duality and try it yourself before attempting to debate everyone to the ground?
Arrendis
TK Corp
#522 - 2014-09-25 19:28:34 UTC
baltec1 wrote:

can you get a booster tengu/command ship in them?


Well, if it's 1v1 in frigates, I'd guess the answer is 'no'.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#523 - 2014-09-25 19:29:52 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

That is the most important lesson in EVE by far. You don't need to be impossible to scan in order to teach people how to fight.


It totally is the most important lesson in EVE. I agree with that 100%. That said, the most important lesson when learning to drive is 'everyone else on the road can **** up, too', but that doesn't mean the first few lessons of every Driver's Ed course don't take place in a controlled environment without other drivers, like a closed course, or a controlled school parking lot.


My first lesson involved a main road, a bus route and several encounters with 40ft VolvosStraight
Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society
Kvitravn.
#524 - 2014-09-25 19:29:56 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

can you get a booster tengu/command ship in them?


Well, if it's 1v1 in frigates, I'd guess the answer is 'no'.

Let's hope we get on-grid boosting soon, so we can have larger ships in the Dojos :)
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#525 - 2014-09-25 19:31:21 UTC
Sephira Galamore wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Thank you.

Next up, can you test how long the matches last and can you get a booster tengu/command ship in them?

Can't you do that..?
Seriously, you spend all that time in this thread arguing and portray a notable personal interest in this feature/its abolishment, yet you cannot update Duality and try it yourself before attempting to debate everyone to the ground?


No I cant. Hence why I am having to dig for info on the damn things.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#526 - 2014-09-25 19:31:54 UTC
baltec1 wrote:

My first lesson involved a main road, a bus route and several encounters with 40ft VolvosStraight


And this was in an actual Driver's Ed course that insurance companies give premium discounts for taking, and the State allows as credit toward getting your license a year early?

That must've been a heck of an environment to learn how to get a feel for the clutch in...
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#527 - 2014-09-25 19:33:10 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Arrendis wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

can you get a booster tengu/command ship in them?


Well, if it's 1v1 in frigates, I'd guess the answer is 'no'.


Wouldn't be the first time we broke something like this. The best way to get this right is to try and break it in every way possible before it gets anywhere near tranq.

Incidently, if these are in highsec will concord respond if you jump into a fight while still on a timer?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#528 - 2014-09-25 19:34:36 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

My first lesson involved a main road, a bus route and several encounters with 40ft VolvosStraight


And this was in an actual Driver's Ed course that insurance companies give premium discounts for taking, and the State allows as credit toward getting your license a year early?

That must've been a heck of an environment to learn how to get a feel for the clutch in...


Its the UK. Over here you do the theory test and then get to itBlink
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#529 - 2014-09-25 19:37:43 UTC
Xorth Adimus wrote:
Two pods enter, one pod leaves..

Edit.. Also this needs a spectator mode so anyone in system can watch.

Viewable on the screen in your captains quarters. Smile

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Shoddowbroker
xMONOLITHx
The Gorgon Empire
#530 - 2014-09-25 19:39:55 UTC
Honor PVP? Not in my eve!
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#531 - 2014-09-25 19:40:00 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Xorth Adimus wrote:
Two pods enter, one pod leaves..

Edit.. Also this needs a spectator mode so anyone in system can watch.

Viewable on the screen in your captains quarters. Smile


We have 3km widescreens in space and you want a telly in a cupboard?
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#532 - 2014-09-25 19:43:18 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Xorth Adimus wrote:
Two pods enter, one pod leaves..

Edit.. Also this needs a spectator mode so anyone in system can watch.

Viewable on the screen in your captains quarters. Smile


We have 3km widescreens in space and you want a telly in a cupboard?

Billboards would be good as well. Smile

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Tawa Suyo
C.O.D.E
#533 - 2014-09-25 19:43:39 UTC
I do not understand how this impacts non-consensual PVP. The people using it would be consenting and the pacifists I imagine would not use it and thus be out in the open waiting for your gank.

Its important to note the idea is based around a deploy-able module that would be initiated by players. Its not a special part of space or separate star system implemented by CCP. It isn't a que you select at the log-in screen or a special server. It leaves it in the players hands to organize the event, invite other players, gather modules, etc.



Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#534 - 2014-09-25 19:45:12 UTC
Yeah, unless something is broken you can only take frigates into the match/arena.

I'm more concerned as to whether a booster in system affects frigates in the arena... hopefully not.

Veritas said in his OP that he hadn't set up anything special for Concord... meaning that you'll likely have Concord interrupt your duel if you attempt one in high sec currently.

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Mangala Solaris
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#535 - 2014-09-25 19:46:28 UTC
baltec1 wrote:


Thank you.

Next up, can you test how long the matches last and can you get a booster tengu/command ship in them?



5 Minute match duration - or sooner if one party wins.

trying to warp a 3rd party to yourself in arena doesnt work.

Placing all the parts for a booster in the dojo, then selecting that as your ship for the match, DOES work.

You can be fleeted with people who are in these arenas, as can they you if you are in them. However they will not be able to warp to you.

I can see a couple of ways of how abuses could happen, but it means some serious multitask work, having one of these stocked and up in each system you run in and so much more - assuming someone would try to abuse the link alt aspect.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#536 - 2014-09-25 19:47:40 UTC
Also, I should point out that my opinion on this is influenced by the fact that I often have an alt in RvB, where arranged matches with your friends have absolutely no impact your desire to engage in other forms of PVP.... usually in large groups with those self same friends.

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Mangala Solaris
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#537 - 2014-09-25 19:51:00 UTC
Okay, I got to within 50k km of the "arena" by warping to my alt. However this was in a bugged arena that had no timer or anything, do not take this as gospel.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#538 - 2014-09-25 19:51:48 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Yeah, unless something is broken you can only take frigates into the match/arena.

I'm more concerned as to whether a booster in system affects frigates in the arena... hopefully not.

Veritas said in his OP that he hadn't set up anything special for Concord... meaning that you'll likely have Concord interrupt your duel if you attempt one in high sec currently.


I would expect boosters to work given that CCP have yet to solve off grid boosting.
Two step
Aperture Harmonics
#539 - 2014-09-25 19:52:40 UTC
Arguing over the exact mechanics in a prototype is kind of pointless. If people have specific concerns (such as being able to run links within them, getting out of a camped station, etc), bring those up and those can be addressed if and when this gets real design work.

The arguing about if this would reduce PvP has gotten rather dumb. First of all, the reason people wouldn't be dojoing all day is because fights in the dojo don't matter in the wider eve world. They can't get you sov, they can't gain you money even.

I also find the worrying about these becoming too popular to be hilarious, frankly. The only way they would be too popular is if they are more fun than whatever else people are doing in game. That is not a problem with dojos, that is a problem with the rest of the stuff to do in game.

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Caldari State
#540 - 2014-09-25 19:54:11 UTC
baltec1 wrote:


Because EVE is still EVE and I will continue to fight to keep EVE from turning into a clone of all of those other failed MMOS.


And I will continue to support efforts to make EVE a more enjoyable experience for players, and I will continue to support efforts to remove unpleasantness from the game.