Player Features and Ideas Discussion

In a game that encourages and prides itself on setting long-term goals, I'm weary of the idea of instant gratification. On top of that, this particular prototype sounds like it caters to a very specific group of players, who I'm willing to bet are in the minority of New Eden.

I worry that this will create a slippery slope when other small groups start to complain that their particular preferred style of play is not catered to. Should we also cater as much as possible to the participant that wants to farm rats without the looming fear of being ganked? Should we also cater as much as possible to the participant that thinks gate camps are unfair?



For all intents and purposes, this is instanced gameplay. Creating a secluded area of the game world that restricts the spectrum of player interaction in order to create a level playing field for a select few. I don't think I can adequately express how much I dread even the mere mention of instances in EVE's sandbox. EVE's non-instanced gameplay is primarily what attracts me to the game, away from every other MMO. And I mean that very literally. I can't bring myself to play other MMO's where instances serve to restrict interaction, and dissolve the concept of a massive virtual world.

I have a quote in my bio that I refer to from time to time: "If you find yourself in a fair and equal fight, you have both f***ed up."

EVE is not about fair and equal fights. The Alliance Tournament and NEO are the obvious exception, as they are not inherent to the game's design.

EVE is not about instant gratification, and that's surely to its credit.

All of that having been said...

If dojos were to remain on Duality, or even Singularity; if dojos never made it onto TQ, I could bring myself to accept them.

In every single game that has added arenas the PvP in all other areas was sucked into them. The more more that join the arenas the fewer targets there are to hunt so more people join the arenas and we end up with a runaway effect untill we have everyone in arenas. This has happened in every single game that has added them and will happen in this one too. FW will die, RvB will die and null will also be impacted.

This is a terrible thing to have on Tranq and always will be. This thing is as Un-EVE as it gets and is utterly incompatible with EVE core gameplay. It will not add more players to the game and the same people who get bored with hunting for targets will get bored with arenas after the same length of time.

No, the problem with arenas in wow, since it's the prime example, is that there is no incentive to go in the middle of the map looking for something.

This won't remove FW, this won't remove plexes, this won't remove corp roams, this won't remove solo pvp against the odds, it's an additional option.

Wow has no fw, no plexes, no corp roams, no solo pvp against the odds.

For example GW2 has a "competitive" pvp system outside the pve map but a lot of people are still roaming the WvW map, why? Because there is an incentive to go to the WvW map but for wow you can stay in the cap all day, so it's a terrible analogy you obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

The AT is "un-eve" and it's still pretty popular and a lot of people outside eve were interested, eve has clunky legacy stuff just because CCP is trying to fix it doesn't mean it's "un-eve" because you don't like that gameplay.

This is a sandbox, your way to play is not the way to play simply deal with it.

The unable to warp to from outside is what makes it WRONG in eve. It breaks everythign eve is about :(

I played SWG when they added arenas, I saw all the PvP outside of it dry up in a matter of weeks. The same will happen here. This isn't about us stopping you from doing something you want to do in game its about stopping something that will massively damage the game in the long run.

We already have ways of setting up 1v1 matches in the duel systems, go use that.

It's next to my option to bomb your nullsec assets and have access to your API to gank your bearalts.

Baltec is describing why this idea is un-EVElike. In EVe, you are supposed to be able to back stab, to no honor agreements and such. An EVE player is supposed to always be in fear of such an occurrence while in space. This DoJo thing doesn't allow that by design, that makes the design bad on it's face.

No if you could challenge someone to a Dojo dual, get them in a ship in this unscannable pocket, the reinforce your own dojo yourself with alts and that somehow LOCKS the opponent in that pocket for 5 minutes (that even logging off can't fix) as you yourself log of, THAT would be EVE-like lol.

This fair and uninterruptible fight BS doesn't belong in this game. I say that as someone who doesn't care one way or another for pvp.

Do you also cry because you can't blob the AT? And also you are wrong, if the odds of him giving me his api were the same as the odds of people that will grief the dojo system we wouldn't need invisible wall, they are here because without them the competitive and fair setup is nulled.

Is it too hard to understand?

No, but from what I understand that wouldn't be to hard to get in. Just was not needed to prototype the feature.