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Prototype: Dojos

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mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#121 - 2014-09-25 13:16:56 UTC
CCP Veritas wrote:
Le Petite More wrote:
Please consider that I have tried this and think it is a terrible idea.
Le Petite More wrote:
These will also be abused the hell out of to create safe pockets for afk, well you can't call them cloakers because they won't have to cloak, cyno alts, scouts, supers, and links.

Had you actually tried this you'd know the fight has a 5 minute timer.

And that the only ships and modules that go in are ships and modules that are stocked in the dojo.

Oye.

Oooooooh SNAP



Anyone opposed to this is pretty much dumb, sorry. This is the most eve-like implementation of "structured fights" that you can possibly get, and it's awesome. There's simply no room for any other opinion.

Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal

Makari Aeron
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#122 - 2014-09-25 13:18:42 UTC
I think there's quite a bit too much knee jerk reaction here. While I am not keen on 1v1 fights as they really aren't realistic for my part of nullsec, when I get home from work I'll give this a try. Definitely good for testing out fits in a controlled environment. Though, that's sometimes what I use SiSi for since things cost 100isk. I'll leave my judgement for after I try out this new Dojo-thing-a-ma-bob-that-floats-in-space and I implore other to do the same. No need to give other players false impressions.

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Rizzen Lipton
Caldari Drugs Inc.
#123 - 2014-09-25 13:21:08 UTC
We have lost the EVE's world pvp Sad Very, very bad idea, CCP.
CCP Prism X
C C P
C C P Alliance
#124 - 2014-09-25 13:22:06 UTC
There's something inherently novel about submitting prototype code on a design that's quite clearly going to be controversial, and then go post about it here to create a bit of forum drama, on your second last day at CCP. Scorched Earth all the way!

Man I'm going to miss you and your Cowboy ways.
Xander Phoena
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#125 - 2014-09-25 13:23:25 UTC
mynnna wrote:
CCP Veritas wrote:
Le Petite More wrote:
Please consider that I have tried this and think it is a terrible idea.
Le Petite More wrote:
These will also be abused the hell out of to create safe pockets for afk, well you can't call them cloakers because they won't have to cloak, cyno alts, scouts, supers, and links.

Had you actually tried this you'd know the fight has a 5 minute timer.

And that the only ships and modules that go in are ships and modules that are stocked in the dojo.

Oye.

Oooooooh SNAP



Anyone opposed to this is pretty much dumb, sorry. This is the most eve-like implementation of "structured fights" that you can possibly get, and it's awesome. There's simply no room for any other opinion.


Pretty much this. I cannot wait to see this on TQ.

www.crossingzebras.com

Dave Stark
#126 - 2014-09-25 13:25:35 UTC
mynnna wrote:
CCP Veritas wrote:
Le Petite More wrote:
Please consider that I have tried this and think it is a terrible idea.
Le Petite More wrote:
These will also be abused the hell out of to create safe pockets for afk, well you can't call them cloakers because they won't have to cloak, cyno alts, scouts, supers, and links.

Had you actually tried this you'd know the fight has a 5 minute timer.

And that the only ships and modules that go in are ships and modules that are stocked in the dojo.

Oye.

Oooooooh SNAP



Anyone opposed to this is pretty much dumb, sorry. This is the most eve-like implementation of "structured fights" that you can possibly get, and it's awesome. There's simply no room for any other opinion.


sure it is the most eve-like implimentation, and it is awesome.

except i still don't think 'structured fights' should have a place in eve. especially when they're instanced off.
Aiyshimin
Shiva Furnace
#127 - 2014-09-25 13:28:11 UTC
mynnna wrote:
CCP Veritas wrote:
Le Petite More wrote:
Please consider that I have tried this and think it is a terrible idea.
Le Petite More wrote:
These will also be abused the hell out of to create safe pockets for afk, well you can't call them cloakers because they won't have to cloak, cyno alts, scouts, supers, and links.

Had you actually tried this you'd know the fight has a 5 minute timer.

And that the only ships and modules that go in are ships and modules that are stocked in the dojo.

Oye.

Oooooooh SNAP



Anyone opposed to this is pretty much dumb, sorry. This is the most eve-like implementation of "structured fights" that you can possibly get, and it's awesome. There's simply no room for any other opinion.


I don't criticize the implementation, but the idea of structured fights is blasphemy in the first place.

Any supporters are pretty much dumb, sorry. There's simply no room for any other opinion.
Marc Durant
#128 - 2014-09-25 13:29:54 UTC
Please don't go.

Yes, yes I am. Thanks for noticing.

Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#129 - 2014-09-25 13:30:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
This is a bad idea. You don't offer instant gratification mechanics in a game about long term goals. And you don't introduce a distraction that pulls people away from interacting with other people in more meaningful ways. This is why a lot of the Incarna ideas were bad (in a game that relies on spaceships blowing up and people in spaceships doing things in space producing materials to fuel it's economy, giving people a reason to not undock is mind numbingly stupid).
mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#130 - 2014-09-25 13:30:42 UTC  |  Edited by: mynnna
If you don't like other people having structured fights, you can go inject a little bit of unstructuredness into their day by blowing up their dojo.


e: If structured fights have no place on TQ, do y'all folks also oppose the Alliance Tournament? New Eden Open?

Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal

Aiyshimin
Shiva Furnace
#131 - 2014-09-25 13:31:03 UTC
Good things about EVE:

+ open world, unstructured full loot PVP

Bad things about EVE:

- all the rest

This prototype violates the core of the game. It would seriously be better to instance hisec missions than develop this any further.

Bei ArtJay
Dishonorable Duel Disturbance
#132 - 2014-09-25 13:31:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Bei ArtJay
My kid is about to wake up then I'm going to have to go to work after and it's not done patching... WANT NOW!!!!!

Hopefully some folks are on later to try this out, can't wait to have a go.

To everyone whining like the little bitches you are: get out. Vertias spends some time making something fun to give to a part of the eve community that massively respect him as a leaving present and you troll the **** out of him. **** off and get out of this thread you ungrateful **** s. This is on duality and likely never to hit TQ, but would be really awesome if it could be run as a side server for eve-players to develop an eve e-sports scene, so quit pissing your panties and leave us tourney nerds be k thx.

And Veritas, thanks again for all your work at CCP and all the best for the future.
Franky Saken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#133 - 2014-09-25 13:32:57 UTC
mynnna wrote:
If you don't like other people having structured fights, you can go inject a little bit of unstructuredness into their day by blowing up their dojo.


But (as listed in OP) one of the primary objectives of this thing is "quick easy fair pvp" and the fights themselves should be untouchable.

Also wonder how stocking/deploying them combines with "quick easy pvp".
Tyrendian Biohazard
The Bastards
Sedition.
#134 - 2014-09-25 13:35:29 UTC
Note: I am basing my understanding without having tried this out, but think I have my head wrapped around the concept based on the original post. From that reading, I also don't have much of a desire to try it out in the first place.

I'm going to put a +1 in the "would not like to see this happen on TQ column".

I'm not going to cry out this is the end of the sandbox, or EVE PvP would end, I think the fact that PvP would be handed to us, and consensual, is very anti-EVE. Sure people love the thrill of winning a fight with 5% hull, but just activating modules isn't just the only aspect of PvP. The searching, hunting, stalking, knowing the region, population, springing bait/traps, etc, are all aspects that could be affected by this (and in my opinion, those are some of the most fun things about PvP).

However, I do feel that if this ever made it to TQ (in its current form) it would be used less than the dueling feature (after the initial "everybody is doing it").

To quote CCP Falcon:

Quote:


I love EVE and the core of what the game stands for. That's why I've been dedicated to it and its community for over 11 years now.

Risk vs Reward is a huge part of that.

Honestly, if that changed, and the game started to soften out and cater to those who want to have their hand held all the way through their gameplay experience, I'd rather not be working on the project regardless of how many subscribers we had, than sell out the core principles that New Eden was built on.

That's a sentiment that I hear a lot around the office, because we are all invested in what makes New Eden so compelling - The dark, gritty, hard reality beneath the pretty ships and nebulas.

EVE is built on the core principle that you are never 100% safe, no matter where you go or what you do. When you interact with another player, you roll the dice on whether they're going to screw you over or not. That's a massive part of the social engineering behind the very basic underpinnings of the EVE Universe.

Twitch streamer and EVE NT tournament broadcaster.

dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#135 - 2014-09-25 13:35:48 UTC
mynnna wrote:
If you don't like other people having structured fights, you can go inject a little bit of unstructuredness into their day by blowing up their dojo.


e: If structured fights have no place on TQ, do y'all folks also oppose the Alliance Tournament? New Eden Open?


that sounds like an awful amount of work, maybe we can get a feature added that can blow it up for me, i really don't have time to fit a ship or undock and look for dojo's.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.

Masao Kurata
Perkone
Caldari State
#136 - 2014-09-25 13:35:59 UTC
Here are some basic modifications you can do to make this acceptable:

Fights take place at the deployable. There should be nothing to stop you from warping to it. You have to be in your pod to board a ship from the deployable and risk getting podded, discouraging the use of expensive implants. Boarding a fitted ship from the deployable makes you drop fleet, enforces the boundary violation rule and enters you into a limited engagement with the opponent. Leaving that ship or joining a fleet counts as a forfeit but otherwise has no consequences. If foul play occurs that mechanically counts as a win, it's up to the participants to argue over it.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#137 - 2014-09-25 13:36:17 UTC
Bei ArtJay wrote:
My kid is about to wake up then I'm going to have to go to work after and it's not done patching... WANT NOW!!!!!

Hopefully some folks are on later to try this out, can't wait to have a go.

To everyone whining like the little bitches you are: get out. Vertias spends some time making something fun to give to a part of the eve community that massively respect him as a leaving present and you troll the **** out of him. **** off and get out of this thread you ungrateful **** s. This is on duality and likely never to hit TQ, but would be really awesome if it could be run as a side server for eve-players to develop an eve e-sports scene, so quit pissing your panties and leave us tourney nerds be k thx.

And Veritas, thanks again for all your work at CCP and all the best for the future.


1st what better send off then a troll
2nd most ppl in this thread like the idea and are just voicing concerns if it does find its way to TQ
mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#138 - 2014-09-25 13:38:00 UTC
Tyrendian Biohazard wrote:
Note: I am basing my understanding without having tried this out, but think I have my head wrapped around the concept based on the original post. From that reading, I also don't have much of a desire to try it out in the first place.

I'm going to put a +1 in the "would not like to see this happen on TQ column".

I'm not going to cry out this is the end of the sandbox, or EVE PvP would end, I think the fact that PvP would be handed to us, and consensual, is very anti-EVE. Sure people love the thrill of winning a fight with 5% hull, but just activating modules isn't just the only aspect of PvP. The searching, hunting, stalking, knowing the region, population, springing bait/traps, etc, are all aspects that could be affected by this (and in my opinion, those are some of the most fun things about PvP).

However, I do feel that if this ever made it to TQ (in its current form) it would be used less than the dueling feature (after the initial "everybody is doing it").

To quote CCP Falcon:

Quote:


I love EVE and the core of what the game stands for. That's why I've been dedicated to it and its community for over 11 years now.

Risk vs Reward is a huge part of that.

Honestly, if that changed, and the game started to soften out and cater to those who want to have their hand held all the way through their gameplay experience, I'd rather not be working on the project regardless of how many subscribers we had, than sell out the core principles that New Eden was built on.

That's a sentiment that I hear a lot around the office, because we are all invested in what makes New Eden so compelling - The dark, gritty, hard reality beneath the pretty ships and nebulas.

EVE is built on the core principle that you are never 100% safe, no matter where you go or what you do. When you interact with another player, you roll the dice on whether they're going to screw you over or not. That's a massive part of the social engineering behind the very basic underpinnings of the EVE Universe.


Plenty of risk here - the person that deploys and stocks the Dojo is risking it and everything he puts in it.

Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal

Gorski Car
#139 - 2014-09-25 13:42:23 UTC
This is a pretty dank feature. You'll cowards dont even smoke crack

Collect this post

Lugh Crow-Slave
#140 - 2014-09-25 13:43:15 UTC
mynnna wrote:

Plenty of risk here - the person that deploys and stocks the Dojo is risking it and everything he puts in it.


Can I assume there will also be loot dropped Lol