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burner missions are fozzie's personal sarlacc

They are EW immune.
I tested it out with full level 5 skills, t-2 jammers, t-2 ecm frigs, and other t-2 ew frigs, NO Effect.

Jammers are perfectly work on the Burners. If it is jammed it flies away over 80-120km. Checked this on sisi 2 days ago.
All missions doable in T2 fitted assault/faction frigates.
Eagerly waiting for cruiser size missions!

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Sure, Nightmares would do great against specific mission rats, and the Machariel would do great against a plethora of other rats on account of swapping damage types.... however it's my honest opinion that the Loki or Tengu is preferred. For the 1.2b or so for a Nightmare or machariel hull, you can put together a level four capable t3, with fittings, and do perfectly fine. Survivability is greater than a battleship as you aren't taking full damage from all rats on account of having a larger hull, and you mitigate alot of your damage simply by going 700ms+. Using medium weapons you do full damage to battleships and increased damage to frigates compared to Large guns/Torps.... add to the fact you're using missiles or projectile weapons, one is able to switch out damage types for all races. Increased mobility in a smaller ship means, provided one has a great tank, to close with and bring short range/high DPS on your target, and literally melt through the opposition. Extensive testing of different ships, different fits.... I've not seen anything greater in time/efficiency in comparison with the Tengu, seconded by the Loki.

Although I will agree with the fact that the Nightmare has no equal now, for being the fastest battleship [sorry Machariel, aka Spacefish] in the game and it just MIGHT be able to mitigate damage from opposing battleships by going just so fast..... might have to test it out and see how it stacks up against Sansha/Blood.

In other news, trolling this forum post..... if you fellas want to see cruiser and BC and BS burner missions, show your support of the what's on offer, instead of complaining it's not to your liking NOW..... Last I checked, CCP doesn't own Burger King, so don't expect that 'Made your way, right away' maxim our Nordic Game Masters

Burner missions sounded interesting.

Frigate combat sounded compelling.

Ran up to hisec to get in touch w/ my L4 agents. Checked with a number of them. No "burners" available.


Research the forums... read the above post.

Hooray. Waste of time. Back to my normal digs.

Finally I lost some ships doing some level four missions and it felt good.

I like the concept behind these missions, there is room as in anything for improvment but they are a good starting point.

As others have pointed out I think that the rewards should perhaps be a little more (but perhaps if doing this limit them to being done solo), it would also be nice to be able to use effective EW.

So far the missions aren't any more exciting than regular L4s once a player realizes the solution is “look up fit, use strategy X every time.” A large time investment filtering through regular missions is required to pull the burners, which makes testing them a pain outside of sisi. The current iterations aren't even an intro to PvP for missioners – the skills picked up in these don’t translate at all to an actual fighting scenario. A high-sec player who thinks this is what Eve PvP is may actually be even more discouraged from venturing into low or null as a result of trying these out.

Instead of taking the (mandatory) uber-specialized fit to a handful of burner agents, like a bounty hunter looking for an ideal target, players have to weed through the same boring mission pool that even new players can’t wait to disassociate themselves from. Players interested in frigate missions now need to make sure they always have a BS/Marauder/T3 nearby for when they exhaust declining the regular mission offers. Any excitement I initially had to go fight these new rats and test fits against them on TQ went out the door by tying them to the existing mission pool. Is the idea, then, to start fleeting up for high-sec missioning to increase the pull-rate? I remember the paltry income from blitzing L4s solo. Outside of asking in local if someone is sitting in a frigate ready to go help me fight a burner these probably aren’t going to convince me to start fleeting up with buddies while running missions. I don't want to live out of a single station or make sure I have 5 additional frigates on-hand wherever I find myself running missions, either.

Given the fact that the issues with EWAR immunity are technical in nature and cannot be addressed, payouts have not adjusted to compensate for investment requirements, and the horrible mission-draw implementation, I’m hoping these missions don’t eat up future development resources. There are too many larger problems in Eve that need to be addressed, and it’s clear nobody at CCP knows how to create an engaging and fun PvE system. I’m fearful for future burner missions where a capsuleer needs to complete a hacking mini-game to access a special acceleration gate, kill a rat before he smartbombs the player from 80km, and the dropped loot launches out of the wreck at 5km/s.