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Dev blog: Size Matters: Introducing Burner Missions

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Derrick Miles
Death Rabbit Ky Oneida
#321 - 2014-08-16 05:58:59 UTC
When I first saw something about level 4 missions for advanced frigates I thought it was an awesome idea. I was thinking a whole new type of agent, a way for new players to progress in the game from level 1 to 4 in just small ships for pve, and a new dynamic with mission-specific fitting. Instead of an expansion for the mission running profession though it just seems like a gimmick to make it less boring for end-game mission grinders. I'm not opposed to adding content to mission running, but I just think this could have been so much more.
Anna Karhunen
Inoue INEXP
#322 - 2014-08-16 06:24:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Anna Karhunen
I have a minor suggestion for these missions. I'd like them to include music that has not been used elsewhere in New Eden - or has been very little used. New themes could also be used for these missions as background music. Crius theme for example would make for good background music for such fights.

Yeah, I listen to EVE's own sounds and music. I am weird like that. Blink

As my old maths teacher used to say: "Statistics are like bikinis: It's what they don't show that's interesting". -CCP Aporia

MOL0TOK
NOCTURNAL TORTURE
#323 - 2014-08-16 08:29:39 UTC
1000 times yes!
I don't want shoot thousends paper NPS, I want figth versus few smart & strong ships!
I want all 4 lvl missions with this doctrine - not only for frigate vs. frigate, but also for other shiptype!
I want use Deimos, Vigilant and other short range ships,buffer armor tank, scrambler and stasis web for interesting PVE with one enemy ships or small group.
I want few realistic nps, which as player depends of capacitor availibiity for interactions and can launch drones, not only carry in cargo!

Бил, бью и буду бить! / to Kerzhakoved /

Indahmawar Fazmarai
#324 - 2014-08-16 08:52:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Indahmawar Fazmarai
Sven Viko VIkolander wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
[quote=CCP Fozzie]

Well, I've resubbed this alt mostly to talk about those missions. Now, there's only one thing that seriosuly makes me uncomfortable, and it would be very kind if you just cleared it....

Will the mission targets (the "Burners") spawn in the same security as the agent giving the mission?

More specifically, will highsec agents send players to highsec systems only, and lowsec agents send players to lowsec systems only?

I would be extremely upset if my highsec agents sent me to lowsec.

Thank you.


Oh don't worry mate, we will still find a way to blow you and other high sec missioners up while doing these missions. Big smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smile


...but you'll never catch me flying purple! P
Rain6637
Simulacra and Simulation
Dracarys.
#325 - 2014-08-16 09:17:27 UTC
seeing indah in space makes me fly purple, if you know what i mean
Optimo Sebiestor
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#326 - 2014-08-16 11:46:39 UTC
Lady Rift wrote:
Sheeana Harb wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
you don't have to run regular level 4 missions. faction standings, the ones you get for running missions in FW... they unlock security agents (and all agents) in an empire. it's not just mission runners who will have access to burners. faction standings are the best standings to have in this case. I'm not sure if you don't know that or if you're trying to persuade player opinion.




'The fact that these missions can only be received as part of the random level 4 security mission pool should prevent them from being too farmable.'

This is what I was referring to. That you need to run 'normal' lvl4s in order to receive a Burner mission. There was no ill intent behind my previous post.




Just cycle though different agents no need to do any missions


People dont want to fly 40 jumps to visit a bunch of agents, its a Complete Waste of Gametime. If you live in lowsec or null, its not a very good way of making isk.
Treacle Fox
Alcoholocaust.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#327 - 2014-08-16 12:09:42 UTC
Will the burner NPC's warp away if not tackled?
Carniflex
StarHunt
Mordus Angels
#328 - 2014-08-16 13:09:27 UTC
Optimo Sebiestor wrote:


People dont want to fly 40 jumps to visit a bunch of agents, its a Complete Waste of Gametime. If you live in lowsec or null, its not a very good way of making isk.


Odd. Thats exactly what my FW alt does when farming FW lev 4's. And actually most of it is indeed in low sec. Null sec is not much harder, you just take usually interceptor over covops for travel. Doing the full round plus the missions is altogether approx 80 ... 100 jumps over approx 3..4 h gaming session.

You are ofc right in that regard that I do not want to do that amount of jumps. But that's what it takes to get these missions.

Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... THWONK! GOT the bastard.

stoicfaux
#329 - 2014-08-16 19:47:33 UTC
My Ishtar is ready. I'll run one, maybe two, burner missions in it just to show that the Ishtar is still OP/imba.

[Ishtar, level 4 burners]
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script

Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor I

Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Ancillary Current Router II

Warden II x5
Bouncer II x5

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#330 - 2014-08-16 19:54:44 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
My Ishtar is ready. I'll run one, maybe two, burner missions in it just to show that the Ishtar is still OP/imba.

[Ishtar, level 4 burners]
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script

Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor I

Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Ancillary Current Router II

Warden II x5
Bouncer II x5



Frigates only?What?

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE

stoicfaux
#331 - 2014-08-16 20:07:49 UTC
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Frigates only?What?

Since when is space restricted to frigates?

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

Carniflex
StarHunt
Mordus Angels
#332 - 2014-08-16 20:48:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Carniflex
stoicfaux wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Frigates only?What?

Since when is space restricted to frigates?



These are gated. Gates allowing only frigates. Otherwise everyone and their dog would do them indeed in isthars or rapid light cerberuses.


Ahh I think I get it. You plan to fly from acceleration gate to the mission deadspace pocket with that oversize MWD Isthar. How fast is it going with links and pill? About 10 000 km/h?

Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... THWONK! GOT the bastard.

ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#333 - 2014-08-16 21:04:38 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay.
Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!

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On topic: From personal experience I can say all level 4 missions are completable in a T II fitted Assault Frigate (although some take quite some time.....).
I am looking forward to see these missions pop up, oh yes....Big smile


Thread unlocked btw.

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Rain6637
Simulacra and Simulation
Dracarys.
#334 - 2014-08-16 22:27:01 UTC
only mission i lost a harpy to was worlds collide. those webs man
Gargep Farrow
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#335 - 2014-08-17 01:42:57 UTC
I hope the devs are still reading at this point.

I really like the whole idea and hope this trial works out and is expanded. Adding a bit of extra challenge is always a good thing.

My biggest concern is a personal one. I have the skill training and the ships to go into these missions, but I am concerned that I lack player skill to complete these missions if they are as difficult as they should be.

What I would like to see if this concepts goes forward is a second version of these missions that focus on training. the training missions should be set to run as many as needed with minimal isk and LP payouts. The real pay is what you learn plus the possibility of some low level faction drops that will help.

Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#336 - 2014-08-17 02:48:05 UTC
Oh, hey. Cheese missions with cheese NPCs, attempting to simulate ProSolo[tm] PvP.

Does the Dram pilot NPC decloak his Falcon alt NPC when he starts getting his **** pushed in by a player with 90% webs?
Savon Starfarer
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#337 - 2014-08-17 02:55:48 UTC
I love the idea of burner missions.

Being a mission runner, its a nice change of pace to be in my maurader, fly out, bastion, shoot crosses (Big and Small), loot, turn in ... rinse and repeat. I definitely welcome it \o/

Noting that CCP Fozzie mentioned that the mission will give information on how the 'burners' will be fitted. Like this:

"This pirate will be flying a shield boosted Dramiel frigate, with an extremely small signature radius. He tends to deal most of his damage with Domination Fusion ammo, supplemented with Mjolnir rockets. Survivors of his previous attacks claim that he likes to orbit his opponents at very close range at high speed to make himself hard to hit. He always flies with a Stasis Webifier and Warp Scrambler fit."

I am suggesting here a way to make these burners mission more interesting. and varied

=> Although you are making us fight pirates of different faction, their stats may not need to be the same all the time. given the example above, you can make 70% of mission follow said pirate doctrine like above and have 30% of variation like below:

"Although this pirate will be flying a shield boosted Dramiel frigate, with an extremely small signature radius, He like to be unpredictable to surprise his enemy, He tends to deal most of his damage with Photon Ammo using artillery and using sensor damper to hamper his enemy, supplemented with occassional Mjolnir light missiles. Survivors of his previous attacks claim that he likes to stay at distance at relatively high speed to make himself out of range of return fire. You may want to consider fitting a mwd to get close to him and punch him in the face or bring a long range weapon."

Needless to say, there are many variety that this can bring. and missioner need to read the text a bit before flying out.

Just a suggestion. P
Oxylan
Blood Fanatics
#338 - 2014-08-17 04:20:04 UTC
Awesome Dev Blog, while EvE is ( not only but strong focused on pvp and player relations) finaly some love to those who like pve mode, Very cool concept.

If it bleed we can kill it.

Akrasjel Lanate
Lanate Industries
#339 - 2014-08-17 06:54:02 UTC
Not sure if this was explained.

Can few dudes in frigates fly into one mission complex ?

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude

Indahmawar Fazmarai
#340 - 2014-08-17 07:44:13 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Frigates only?What?

Since when is space restricted to frigates?



Gated deadspace pockets may (and in this case will) have hull size restrictions. Scanning the deadspace pocket will take you to the acceleration gate, which then will not allow you use it with any other hull than T1/T2/Faction frigate.