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[Hyperion Feedback Thread] Mass-Based Spawn Distance After WH Jumps

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Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#1741 - 2014-09-01 00:05:41 UTC
Promiscuous Female wrote:
y'all do realize that feedback can be received and not acted upon without breaking the general social contract of the solicitation of feedback right

shoot I got a lot of stuff that I don't like about the game but me agreeing or disagreeing with a change in a feedback thread is not the sole arbitrator of whether or not a thing goes into the game

sometimes balance changes have to go through, that is the way it is


Sure, but thats not what has caused much of the fuss.
Valenthe de Celine
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1742 - 2014-09-01 00:10:08 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Cutting 13 pages is nothing short of censorship.
Doing this on the WH forums is a guaranteed way to kill a thread instantly, thanks ISD.

Well, I do know at least two pages of that was basically people trolling, with responses that, under the rules stated, were flaming. So apparently flaming trolls are inappropriate. I suspect most of us knew that. We did it anyhow (and should feel shame) because our frustrations are not been attended to in any manner, and our reactions have turned to blind rage against anyone and anything around us.

As to this thread or this subforum being affected, I think we have, in effect, been trolled, and as such the ire of me and my fellow posters who said things pertinent to the discussion about W-space changes has increased threefold from the limiting of our only voice.

When get bland palliatives as response to our feedback thus far, the feedback request of us by a CCP employee (who shall remain nameless as it seems referring to him directly will only result in more trolling, flaming, and derogatory commentary) really feel like an unintentional baseball to the groin. Sadly, this isn't one of those humorous video shows, and no one's laughing. I would really like to know what the feedback thread was created for? Does this need to become a force feedback thread, where, because we know the volume and pitch needs to go up dramamtically, we shake the very bedrock of Iceland? Would that generate a respoo
JTK Fotheringham
Ducks in Outer Space
#1743 - 2014-09-01 00:20:48 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Cutting 13 pages is nothing short of censorship.
Doing this on the WH forums is a guaranteed way to kill a thread instantly, thanks ISD.


Nah. I read a lot of the stuff that got the chop - I was annoyed with a lot of it and flame trolled some of the posters rather than just flagging the posts. The thread's better without the junk - my own contributions included. Blink

ISDs probs did a good job there.

Are we still calling for a roll back?
Skotos Melek
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1744 - 2014-09-01 02:49:10 UTC
apparently CCP didn't like my talk of discontinuing the payments on my alt account I posted earlier, so they cut it from the thread. What's the matter guys, you concerned that I might give people ideas? Fact is, I will plex this account if I can for a little while to see if you make the right decision and revert back to the old wh system (though the addition of extra wh spawns and the other changes are fine by me) If you don't, then you will lose the revenue from this account, and likely another of mine as well, as I can't see myself becoming a part of the null blobs or moving to low sec.
Valenthe de Celine
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1745 - 2014-09-01 04:13:07 UTC
Skotos Melek wrote:
apparently CCP didn't like my talk of discontinuing the payments on my alt account I posted earlier, so they cut it from the thread. What's the matter guys, you concerned that I might give people ideas? Fact is, I will plex this account if I can for a little while to see if you make the right decision and revert back to the old wh system (though the addition of extra wh spawns and the other changes are fine by me) If you don't, then you will lose the revenue from this account, and likely another of mine as well, as I can't see myself becoming a part of the null blobs or moving to low sec.

I think our discussion of PLEX vs. Subscriptions was cut. Long and the short of it, CCP makes more money from PLEX sales than through sub fees.

It seems my corp is resigned to adapt, and their outrage has subsided about this change. Hell, some are even excited about maybe catching some newb corp using a dread and we get to kill 'em. Who knew? Still, minor changes were made to our fleet doctrines, and we're hoping to catch enemy caps trying to roll holes, and maybe get some better fights from it. Should be fun.
Jessica Duranin
Doomheim
#1746 - 2014-09-01 06:59:49 UTC
Valenthe de Celine wrote:
Hell, some are even excited about maybe catching some newb corp using a dread and we get to kill 'em.

You do realize that you could already do that before the changes?
It only turned from being a Bhaals-Deep OP to "lol, web and shoot it".
Enthropic
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#1747 - 2014-09-01 09:03:35 UTC
As others have stated already, this thread, as expected, got censored heavily. Im sure CCP has a record of the posts that got deleted.

Needless to say, most of the flames and unruly posting is a result of your players (at least the majority of those who actually play in whs..) being very unhappy with this change to wh- mechanics.

There is nothing more to say, and nobody but your CEO Hellmar understands better when we rightfully assume now that you wont listen to what we say anyway, but rather to what we do.

Im sure you are going to monitor WH activiy, by whatever metrics you might use, and you gonna see the result of your latest patch one way or the other.

What pisses me off way more than those changes (which ruin whs for me personally, but who cares), is your complete lack of response and your unwillingness to properly answer the complaints and concerns that your players raised.

In over 130 pages, if you take both threads together minus the deletes, people essentially brought up the same arguments over and over again. You know what we think, and WHY we think this is a bad thing, yet you choose not to provide your side of the story or your answer to our concerns.

poor job, really poor job. Even IF the Hyperion expansion, in contrast to what many of us believe, would turn out be a success, and assuming you did not kill WH life for basically every small corp out there, what remains is the stain that your way of interacting with your customers is **** poor and unprofessional.

thanks for nothing,CCP.

guess we should stop posting and act
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
#1748 - 2014-09-01 09:10:10 UTC
Oh they hear alright but chose not to listen.

EvE-Mail me if you need anything.

Valenthe de Celine
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1749 - 2014-09-01 11:28:30 UTC
Jessica Duranin wrote:
Valenthe de Celine wrote:
Hell, some are even excited about maybe catching some newb corp using a dread and we get to kill 'em.

You do realize that you could already do that before the changes?
It only turned from being a Bhaals-Deep OP to "lol, web and shoot it".

Yeah, I'm well aware. But we're a small corp, so was honestly beyond our mean before. Now... I'd say we stand a better than average chance of ruining someone else's rolling efforts as easily as they could be ruining ours. It's good to be able to give back, you know?
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#1750 - 2014-09-01 11:31:16 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Pity, five years waiting for some love and care, they eventually decide it is time to throw us a bone, unfortunately we are expected to shut up and be happy and grateful, even though it has maggots.

I know we are an afterthought to you, something not really worth thinking about, but really, a few database changes and the only bit of dev work you do is to throw a RNG into the spawn mechanic? And that is meant to be a "big" wormhole expansion?

And you cannot be bothered to even put the clearly destructive oversights right?

It is clear more effort went into the design of the devblog post than went into the actual wormhole changes.
And you clearly feel you have wasted enough effort.

Fine, message received.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE

Gunner GzR
Air
The Initiative.
#1751 - 2014-09-01 14:37:41 UTC
Remove Local From Null and Low.. would make it awesome to fly in..Why Would local even exist in the so called wild lands of 0.0?

This dose not make since and it would make it more believable to not have local there

Change For the Sake of Change is bad Listen to you community CCP We are what make you Money. Remove Local From 0.0 and Low Space Please

epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#1752 - 2014-09-01 14:55:23 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Gunner GzR wrote:
Remove Local From Null and Low.. would make it awesome to fly in..Why Would local even exist in the so called wild lands of 0.0?

This dose not make since and it would make it more believable to not have local there



Why encourage them to wreck another area of space! God knows they will need the customers, and making life shittier for null and low will hardly solve that, not that many in wormholes will choose that as an alternative either way, and just because wormholes post Hyperion are still less crappy than Null, does not mean that we will continue to live in wormholes and put up with things.

Edit, I have been reading the press releases, and the self congatulatory comments, everywhere.

Do they really not know what they have done?
Are they THAT disconnected from their customers?

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE

Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#1753 - 2014-09-01 16:22:54 UTC
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Edit, I have been reading the press releases, and the self congatulatory comments, everywhere.
Do they really not know what they have done?
Are they THAT disconnected from their customers?


No.
Yes.
Moloney
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1754 - 2014-09-01 16:35:14 UTC
If anyone has an idea for action on what to do about CCP, this is the time to speak up.

With their new 6 week dev cycles there are going to be new changes out in 5 weeks.

I have not seen anything about what they are going to **** up next but when they do it, again without any time for feedback, their attention is going to move further away from WH. (Not that they are listening anyhow.)
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#1755 - 2014-09-01 16:56:59 UTC
Moloney wrote:
If anyone has an idea for action on what to do about CCP, this is the time to speak up.

With their new 6 week dev cycles there are going to be new changes out in 5 weeks.

I have not seen anything about what they are going to **** up next but when they do it, again without any time for feedback, their attention is going to move further away from WH. (Not that they are listening anyhow.)



I wish there was something, shooting space pixels in Jita, Posting in forums, Our CSM trying his hardest, all seem to be pointless exercises.

It seems the only choices they wish us to have are suck it up or leave.

They had plenty of time to consider and act on all our responses. And have chosen not to,so I guess that's it, they have given their answer.

That is really sad.

Guess that's the decision we will have to make, not one any of us wanted, but what else can one do?

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE

OMEGA REDUX
Last Resort Inn
#1756 - 2014-09-01 17:25:01 UTC
Moloney wrote:
If anyone has an idea for action on what to do about CCP, this is the time to speak up.

With their new 6 week dev cycles there are going to be new changes out in 5 weeks.

I have not seen anything about what they are going to **** up next but when they do it, again without any time for feedback, their attention is going to move further away from WH. (Not that they are listening anyhow.)

actually it's 4 weeks till new changes since all this year at least they are actually releasing every 5 weeks not 6.
corbexx
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1757 - 2014-09-01 17:37:03 UTC
holy **** bet this was to troll me for waiting 30 mins to publish my blog just as it reached 100 pages.

Not like people are upset and annoyed anyway
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#1758 - 2014-09-01 19:32:28 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
corbexx wrote:
holy **** bet this was to troll me for waiting 30 mins to publish my blog just as it reached 100 pages.

Not like people are upset and annoyed anyway


We appreciate all you are doing for us, and we know you cannot discuss your conversations with CCP, but upset and annoyed with the "change" and we all know which one, could be considered the understatement of the centuryBig smile

Please just let them know, that the small thread here is simply a minor expression of our feelings, if this was null the same dissatisfaction would be running over 10,000 pages by now, and most of EVE would be on fire!

We just do things a little more quietly, but still feel as strongly.
And there will be a lot of voices I think silenced forever by this.

Just remind them that moving out of an area or a game that is lo longer desirable is also adaptation please.

Personally, my decision is still mixed, a great corp, and great people in a game I love VS Does anything I do matter, when luck can undo all I work for. EvE used to depend on the players skills abilities and tactics and not luck. I detailed that fully a page or two back, thankfully, it is still there. Luck in what wandering hole spawns, and when, what mass you get, what mission a HS runner gets, what loot drops, all that is fine, luck deciding if you live or die, and there are no tactics can change it apart from avoiding it altogether, is a completely different matter, and one cannot avoid jumping holes.

We have enough destructive luck to deal with with disconnects, and Bugs, there is enough luck in trying to petition this, at best 50/50 even when its a cast iron case. you cannot petition intentional design to randomly destroy you.

This is the one that matters to me, others have a different view, some is that it is more tiresome, some that the effort reward balance is now skewed towards effort, some feel they no longer have control in any way and are just worn out. Some just don't care any more. Different views, but all feel it is bad, we are consistent in that. Same change, just so bad in so many ways.

So what do we do? Payments are coming due, plex bought and stowed in preparation for a multi year Hibernation.
If spring does not come one sleeps forever.

Is there hope? As it stands, I almost cannot face signing in, it doesn't feel like it is worth it anymore.Sad
Home feels just broken.......

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE

Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1759 - 2014-09-01 21:39:51 UTC
corbexx wrote:
holy **** bet this was to troll me for waiting 30 mins to publish my blog just as it reached 100 pages.
Not like people are upset and annoyed anyway

lol :P
i may or may not have waited 20 min or so before going to bed to see if i could get the first post on 100 (thread was 1 post short)

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Kirasten
Perkone
Caldari State
#1760 - 2014-09-01 23:46:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Kirasten
Jack Miton wrote:
corbexx wrote:
holy **** bet this was to troll me for waiting 30 mins to publish my blog just as it reached 100 pages.
Not like people are upset and annoyed anyway

lol :P
i may or may not have waited 20 min or so before going to bed to see if i could get the first post on 100 (thread was 1 post short)


I don't remember who got first. It was quoted and congratulated, but I don't know if the post survived the "trimming".