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[Hyperion Feedback Thread] Mass-Based Spawn Distance After WH Jumps

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Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
#1261 - 2014-08-25 18:12:12 UTC
epicurus ataraxia wrote:

What fleet comps? There are none you
You CANNOT REINFORCE,!!!!

That is what a mass limit means!

smaller ships have lower mass

this means you can bring more of them

there are ships in eve that are not capital ships
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#1262 - 2014-08-25 18:12:48 UTC
epicurus ataraxia wrote:

What fleet comps? There are none you
You CANNOT REINFORCE,!!!!

That is what a mass limit means!

nope, that's not what a mass limit means

a mass limit means there is a limit to the amount of mass you can bring through, and if that's preventing your reinforcements perhaps you should have spent that limited resource more wisely
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
#1263 - 2014-08-25 18:14:02 UTC
some serious rooks and kings cargo culting going on itt

or perhaps itwhs (in this wormhole space)
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#1264 - 2014-08-25 18:14:40 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Promiscuous Female wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:

What fleet comps? There are none you
You CANNOT REINFORCE,!!!!

That is what a mass limit means!

smaller ships have lower mass

this means you can bring more of them

there are ships in eve that are not capital ships


Yes there are.
And as you have no clue whatsoever about why a capital ship is utilised, then you have no Idea how bat **** crazy that sounds.

Anyway pointless talking to people who think that saying a few buzzwords solves anything. I'll leave you to your own delusions.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Syndiaan
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1265 - 2014-08-25 18:14:44 UTC
Retar Aveymone wrote:
like seriously guys if you're going to try to insult nullsec you're going to have to do a little research because you just basically pointed out we've lived with this situation jumping through a gate since forever (and a smuggler/regional gate is a way bigger sphere), clearly you can live with it too if you learn to adapt

jumping into a gatecamp in force and winning is a standard part of nullsec warfare that we've managed to live with for years despite the gate randomly dispersing everyone around it


No one is insulting null sec here so I don't know what you are trying to get at.

There is a big difference from gates and wormholes, you do not get polarized on gates, gates do not have mass limits, we cannot see if there is a cloaky fleet waiting by looking at local/scouting ahead. If your fleet gets rolled out in a wormhole, that's it, there is no backup or way to adapt. When we are looking for pvp we cant just cyno around looking for fights, we have to roll a connection that has pvp and if there isn't we have to roll it again to find something else.
Syndiaan
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1266 - 2014-08-25 18:17:41 UTC
Promiscuous Female wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:

What fleet comps? There are none you
You CANNOT REINFORCE,!!!!

That is what a mass limit means!

smaller ships have lower mass

this means you can bring more of them

there are ships in eve that are not capital ships


have you ever tried rolling a c5/6 wormhole with only sub caps?
Maduin Shi
MAGA Inc
#1267 - 2014-08-25 18:18:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Maduin Shi
Retar Aveymone wrote:

Nullsec has been desperately agitating for changes. As nullsec requires adaptability nullsec does not have the same reflexive rage at changes in mechanics that require you to adapt: in fact, veterans relish mechanics changeups that force us out of sclerotic ways of doing things that were optimized years ago and force us to use our noggins.


Great lets put this change on cynos, jump bridges and nullsec stargates and we'll see how you guys "adapt". I would relish the feedback thread when you start seeing your supers spawning a country mile away from the rest of your support fleet.
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
#1268 - 2014-08-25 18:19:05 UTC
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Promiscuous Female wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:

What fleet comps? There are none you
You CANNOT REINFORCE,!!!!

That is what a mass limit means!

smaller ships have lower mass

this means you can bring more of them

there are ships in eve that are not capital ships


Yes there are.
And as you have no clue whatsoever about why a capital ship is utilised, then you have no Idea how bat **** crazy that sounds.

and now capital ships actually have a modicum of risk to attack with, horror of horrors

you don't need capships to pvp, nor do you need them to siege a pos

for more information look up the stealth bomber class frigate
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
#1269 - 2014-08-25 18:19:51 UTC
Syndiaan wrote:
Promiscuous Female wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:

What fleet comps? There are none you
You CANNOT REINFORCE,!!!!

That is what a mass limit means!

smaller ships have lower mass

this means you can bring more of them

there are ships in eve that are not capital ships


have you ever tried rolling a c5/6 wormhole with only sub caps?

i'm sure it sucks

the alternative is to accept the risk, or (gasp) don't roll at all
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
#1270 - 2014-08-25 18:21:18 UTC
Maduin Shi wrote:
Retar Aveymone wrote:

Nullsec has been desperately agitating for changes. As nullsec requires adaptability nullsec does not have the same reflexive rage at changes in mechanics that require you to adapt: in fact, veterans relish mechanics changeups that force us out of sclerotic ways of doing things that were optimized years ago and force us to use our noggins.


Great lets put this change on cynos, jump bridges and nullsec stargates and we'll see how you guys "adapt". I would relish the feedback thread.

the distance thing already exists on gates, is meaningless on jump bridges, and anything that comes through a cyno in nullsec has the EHP to deal with it

but by all means continue tossing darts at the Perceived Nullsec Entitlement board to see if you can get a bullseye
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#1271 - 2014-08-25 18:22:06 UTC
Syndiaan wrote:

No one is insulting null sec here so I don't know what you are trying to get at.


your compatriots could not even go like five minutes without showing you exactly what i was trying to get at

Maduin Shi wrote:

Great lets put this change on cynos, jump bridges and nullsec stargates and we'll see how you guys "adapt". I would relish the feedback thread.
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#1272 - 2014-08-25 18:22:37 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Promiscuous Female wrote:
Syndiaan wrote:
Promiscuous Female wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:

What fleet comps? There are none you
You CANNOT REINFORCE,!!!!

That is what a mass limit means!

smaller ships have lower mass

this means you can bring more of them

there are ships in eve that are not capital ships


have you ever tried rolling a c5/6 wormhole with only sub caps?

i'm sure it sucks

the alternative is to accept the risk, or (gasp) don't roll at all



That is exactly the solution, so no more PVP, shame. You do actually understand that this prevents searching for ships to shoot?

So what do you suggest we do with a dead chain? Wait 24 hours? Oh, I see adapt some way, that solved itRoll

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Syndiaan
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1273 - 2014-08-25 18:24:02 UTC
Promiscuous Female wrote:
Syndiaan wrote:
Promiscuous Female wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:

What fleet comps? There are none you
You CANNOT REINFORCE,!!!!

That is what a mass limit means!

smaller ships have lower mass

this means you can bring more of them

there are ships in eve that are not capital ships


have you ever tried rolling a c5/6 wormhole with only sub caps?

i'm sure it sucks

the alternative is to accept the risk, or (gasp) don't roll at all


That would be like having your pvp fleet in a staging system ready to go out fighting and turning off all your stargates and puting a cyno blocker up for over 24 hours. Does that sound like fun?
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#1274 - 2014-08-25 18:24:44 UTC
Funny how the only people who support this change are... well pretty much goonswarm...
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
#1275 - 2014-08-25 18:24:49 UTC
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Promiscuous Female wrote:
Syndiaan wrote:

have you ever tried rolling a c5/6 wormhole with only sub caps?

i'm sure it sucks

the alternative is to accept the risk, or (gasp) don't roll at all



That is exactly the solution, so no more PVP, shame. You do actually understand that this prevents searching for ships to shoot?

seeing as this change does not remove rolling holes and is not removing the ability to scan down chains of holes for pvp, I fail to see your point

now if you are arguing that it removes risk-free searching for PvP then yes, that is the entire point
Klarion Sythis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1276 - 2014-08-25 18:25:25 UTC
This thread is ******* terrible.
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
#1277 - 2014-08-25 18:26:59 UTC
Syndiaan wrote:

That would be like having your pvp fleet in a staging system ready to go out fighting and turning off all your stargates and puting a cyno blocker up for over 24 hours. Does that sound like fun?

http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/item.php?type_id=27674
http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/item.php?type_id=33476

cynos are much less necessary than you think for nullsec

also, your metaphor is pretty dumb because there are static wormhole connections, thus guaranteeing that there are "gates"
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#1278 - 2014-08-25 18:27:00 UTC
Syndiaan wrote:
Promiscuous Female wrote:
Syndiaan wrote:
Promiscuous Female wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:

What fleet comps? There are none you
You CANNOT REINFORCE,!!!!

That is what a mass limit means!

smaller ships have lower mass

this means you can bring more of them

there are ships in eve that are not capital ships


have you ever tried rolling a c5/6 wormhole with only sub caps?

i'm sure it sucks

the alternative is to accept the risk, or (gasp) don't roll at all


That would be like having your pvp fleet in a staging system ready to go out fighting and turning off all your stargates and puting a cyno blocker up for over 24 hours. Does that sound like fun?



I'm bored with this, there's no hope of explaining colour to a blind man.
They will never understand.
Good luck.
Maybe see you in a couple of years. If there is anything worth doing by then.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
#1279 - 2014-08-25 18:27:46 UTC
Rroff wrote:
Funny how the only people who support this change are... well pretty much goonswarm...

and ccp apparently

...

OHSHI-
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#1280 - 2014-08-25 18:29:06 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Rroff wrote:
Funny how the only people who support this change are... well pretty much goonswarm...



Yes, we know who decided this change.
Never thought I would say Dinsdale was right.
So it is probably for the best that I no longer Give.A.F***

Good luck, hope things work out, but I am beyond caring.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE