Wormholes

Im sorry I didn't see you come in from the stargate. Who the hell are you again?





P.S. Mind giving us a friendly reciprocal link to a null feedback thread so we can **** up something of yours to? Gracias.

So is it their plan to lower feasibility of farming in wormholes or not ?
You should probably stop contradicting yourself if you want to have any credibility.



CCP more than once stated that they admire very much how players turned WH mechanics into a place they can call home even though that is not what was initially expected. Thus it is clearly not 'abuse' but what CCP called it: 'adaptability'.

They also said they have no intention of blindingly sticking to they original goals from 5 years ago (as you suggest with the removal of POSes and other such nonsense). I have not once seen you address those same kind of suggestion in this thread but done to null space. A little afraid for you wallet? I don't blame you.

This and the other changes look great to me and have in fact made me re-subcribe, even though I may not actually have much time to play for RL reasons.

This change in particular seems to be the change to kick farmers out of w-space. Closing of holes just to be safe is more work now and involves a little risk. Lazy farmers will either give up and leave or just leave their holes open and hope for the best.

Ragerolling shouldn't be too badly affected because the groups doing it can easily field caps + webbers to make a short warp and then warp back to the hole – of course also adding some risk in the process which is good. And larger standoffs at holes should be less boring now, things might actually happen.

Uhh you don't know the hardcore farmers that well do you? These changes mean nothing to them. They'll crash all the holes just like before if its safe, it will just take a little longer. Its likely they'll use a couple extra alts and crash holes with cheap battleships so "mass spew" doesn't put their caps at risk.

If its not safe they'll POS up and log. Same as before. The only thing meaningful is the delay to the k162 appearance on the discovery scanner to when a ship actually jumps through. But since rage rolling is also getting nerfed badly because of "mass spew", farmers will be much less likely to be rolled into by an entity with the ships and pilots ready to go to take them on. So a lot of the "teeth" in the K162 change is lost because of "mass spew". This is speaking mostly of cap escalation farmers.

Ragerolling is already risky as has been pointed out by many. Tomorrow it will be risky AND way more tedious. Why would anyone want more tedium in any game they play? We're gonna get a lot less ragerolling, guaranteed.

I think you're wrong I think we'll get way more standoffs on the hole with nothing happening. Because going on offense with capitals jumping through means committing to destroying every opposing ship on grid on the defender's home turf or losing caps due to "mass spewing" out of range of jumping back. Guaranteed that every WH and low/null anti-WH fleet doctrine will have bump fits and webs specifically for this mechanic after tomorrow. Its gonna be like the Mexican standoffs in lowsec because of the sentry guns.

Maybe you should think about re-unsubscribing.

So it goes live tomorrow...

RIP wormhole space, was good while it lasted. Good thing I live in lowsec.

Hey guys. I wanted to post again to make sure it's clear that we are not ignoring this thread and that we will be continuing to keep a close eye on your feedback and on changes in player behavior.

I completely understand that some of you are feeling anger over the fact that we disagree about how this change will play out. We wish we could please everyone at all times but unfortunately that isn't always possible.

Maybe eventually the numbers will indeed tell you that activity has not changed that much, however you cannot measure the sentiment of people in numbers that easily. A lot of people love w-space for what it is and won't leave that fast. They however will probably feel that rolling became more tedious, using multiple carriers became less useful, dreads became more powerful and that being the attacker is even a bigger disadvantage then it already was. Please explain to me how you are going to keep an eye on this.

Good to hear. Separating the actual feedback from the kneejerk reaction posting can't be easy.

Do not mistake the feedback you have received as anger.
The reaction of the player base, is far, far, worse than that.

All has been explained, including our feelings and reactions.
There is nothing that you can say or do at this point, your Choices have been made.
This will be a cause of great regret in the years to come, and pointed to as a bad decision by those who follow.
There is nothing else for us to say. Why should we care?
Please everyone indeed, you have pleased NO ONE WHO LIVES IN WORMHOLE SPACE with this change, clearly your customers are of no value.

We got the message, loud and clear.
Remind those who ordered this, they will try to blame everything and anything,except themselves, for how EVE withers now.
You have Gutted the core concept of what made EVE, EVE, and not just a cheap pretender.
There is no doubt as to how "luck" will play out. There is no point when all you create, can be destroyed with the roll of the dice.

I no longer care if it lives or dies......

Certainly no anger here - a certain amount of disbelief, leading to me to be somewhat more acerbic in my replies, as from my perspective having spent approx 5 years in wormholes it seems a bit of an ill fitting implementation - something like suddenly deciding to randomly implement it so that everyone gets a suspect flags for 30 seconds at the completion of a highsec mission or something (not sure I can really convey how it looks to me).