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Community Concerns Regarding SOMERblink

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virm pasuul
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#401 - 2014-08-19 18:48:43 UTC
I think he wants CSI CCP
Ahshalon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#402 - 2014-08-19 18:50:41 UTC
i believe right now ccp is in a "we have glued out manbits in a vice" situation. if they open the vice since they are glued it will rip their sack open, but if they close the vice they crush themselves. it's better to just leave the vice dangling there, everyone knows it's there, it's unsightly, but it's not doing as much damage as turning the crank either way will.
Koniforous
Tauren Transit
#403 - 2014-08-19 18:50:55 UTC
Here's the old thread that discusses SOMERblink's potential earnings from the affiliate program last year, for anyone interested.

Easy to see after those earnings that anything of this magnitude is not being used to cover the costs of server maintenance, and is obvious RMT this time around.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#404 - 2014-08-19 18:51:08 UTC
Tippia wrote:
That is what sets Somer (and RMT in general) apart. It is why Somer is against the rules (and yes, I'm stating that emphatically without waiting for the result of the inquiry since we already know it is from last year's ḑ̴͈̦̲͜͢͢e̴͡҉̲̼̱̯͔̻͢͡ḇ̧̲̫̰͔͉͝a͏̸̷̡̤͝ͅͅc̢̡̮̫̙̰̠͕͇͟͠l̷̛͖̟̱͓͉͙͓̥͓̪̫̀́ę̸̗̱̘̗̥̬͕͈̫̱̼̻͔̺̠̣̘ͅ).



FTFY

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Ace Boogi
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#405 - 2014-08-19 18:53:38 UTC
Koniforous wrote:
Here's the old thread that discusses SOMERblink's potential earnings from the affiliate program last year, for anyone interested.

Easy to see after those earnings that anything of this magnitude is not being used to cover the costs of server maintenance, and is obvious RMT this time around.

Thanks for digging that up.

135k through Shattered Star up to May 2013...

...helping pay a portion of server costs... lol
Big Lynx
#406 - 2014-08-19 18:54:13 UTC
virm pasuul wrote:
I think he wants CSI CCP


thinking of intro music of CSI Miami. LELz xD
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#407 - 2014-08-19 18:55:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
RubyPorto wrote:
Tippia wrote:
That is what sets Somer (and RMT in general) apart. It is why Somer is against the rules (and yes, I'm stating that emphatically without waiting for the result of the inquiry since we already know it is from last year's ḑ̴͈̦̲͜͢͢e̴͡҉̲̼̱̯͔̻͢͡ḇ̧̲̫̰͔͉͝a͏̸̷̡̤͝ͅͅc̢̡̮̫̙̰̠͕͇͟͠l̷̛͖̟̱͓͉͙͓̥͓̪̫̀́ę̸̗̱̘̗̥̬͕͈̫̱̼̻͔̺̠̣̘ͅ).

FTFY

*dope-slap*

I also doubt that even half of those diacritic marks are legal. 🚫
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#408 - 2014-08-19 18:59:23 UTC
Big Lynx wrote:
virm pasuul wrote:
I think he wants CSI CCP


thinking of intro music of CSI Miami. LELz xD
'Won't get fooled again' by The Who.

Let's hope we don't this time. Blink

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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#409 - 2014-08-19 18:59:33 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Tippia wrote:
That is what sets Somer (and RMT in general) apart. It is why Somer is against the rules (and yes, I'm stating that emphatically without waiting for the result of the inquiry since we already know it is from last year's ḑ̴͈̦̲͜͢͢e̴͡҉̲̼̱̯͔̻͢͡ḇ̧̲̫̰͔͉͝a͏̸̷̡̤͝ͅͅc̢̡̮̫̙̰̠͕͇͟͠l̷̛͖̟̱͓͉͙͓̥͓̪̫̀́ę̸̗̱̘̗̥̬͕͈̫̱̼̻͔̺̠̣̘ͅ).



FTFY

this is an outrage
Corey Lean
No Vacancies
No Vacancies.
#410 - 2014-08-19 18:59:41 UTC
There comes a point where you have so much isk it becomes meaningless, until you figure out a way to turn that isk into real life dollars and cents. Thats what happened to Somer.
The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#411 - 2014-08-19 19:01:44 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
Chera Frane wrote:
I think that you are wrong in this. Most of the player base probably don't give a damn about what is going on with CCP and Somerblink.

It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths.


Mother of god. Genius.

~hi~
Annie Getyourgun
The Graduates
The Initiative.
#412 - 2014-08-19 19:02:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Annie Getyourgun
POS Trader wrote:
Andski wrote:
POS Trader wrote:
Unless CCP stops ALL referral money, a business transaction, then this situation is unavoidable. SOMER does not directly exchange ISK -> $$$. What happens is he's incentivizing purchasing of PLEX through his referral program by paying more ISK for the PLEX than market price in Jita. This way he's losing ISK, and supposedly gaining *some* additional revenue. How much additional revenue? That's up to debate.


buy this rock for $200 and i'll buy a piece of trit from you for 15 billion isk

that way i'm losing money this can't possibly be against the rules right


He said, click the link and buy the PLEX from CCP (or some third party) and I'll give you some ISK for clicking my link. No rocks, or trit involved or some other useless intermediaries involved. No one pays him $$$ except the referral program.

As I said, either cancel ALL referrals (which obviously includes Amazon), or don't. And if you don't, then what SOMER does should not be against rules.


Amazon isn't a referral, they are a third party retailer.

Amazon also doesn't have an account in EVE, and thus is not subject to the TOS and EULA; they are bound by their agreement as a third party retailer.

Many of the sites that use referral links also accept paypal donations. There is no doubt at all that providing anything in return for a paypal donation is a forbidden transaction. Why is it so hard to see, no matter how you paint it up or move it around under a shell, that any incentive in exchange for a donation through a referral link is no different.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#413 - 2014-08-19 19:05:45 UTC
Sketchy Bob wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
If you don't like it, don't read it. Simple.


Is this the kind of attitude we can expect from the community manager going forward? Shouldn't the community manager at least to pretend to care about what the community thinks?

And I love how you opted to answer this among all the outstanding questions in this thread. You clearly have the communities best in mind.

Edit: The back pating post would be ok and well deserved. If there was any actual progress.

I hope so - it would be a return to days of old when the Dev's told the whiny brats off every once in awhile.

I salute our non-**** taking overlords.

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#414 - 2014-08-19 19:06:38 UTC
Karra Masamune wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
You're damn right I'm going to give credit to a group of people who volunteer their time to assist us at times like this, and take time out of their family lives to be present in meetings that are called early morning or late evening sometimes with under an hour of notice.



Why credit them for something they wanted to do in first place? I mean sure it can be inconvenience to make time for something as unexpected as this, but isn't that a part of being CSM in first place?

As far as I understand being CSM ins't a privilege where you get cool title on forum, it's extra responsibility where you invest your time to make game better.

credit is acknowledgement of work. csm's done exactly as you'd expect from the community group's description... good work is worthy of praise, and good work done for free is worthy of thanks
Jake Rivers
New Planetary Order
#415 - 2014-08-19 19:11:19 UTC
This is nothing more than 'money laundering' for Somerblink, I imagine they are sitting on enormous amounts of ISK through the trillions in transactions they put through there lottery site. For the handful of people to run sommerblink it has to be insane on trying to find things to spend that amount of isk on in eve. Even if the take on the gambling is small, house odds always win and small amounts will add up to huge amounts given time and volume.

If CCP allows this practice to continue, I think they are setting a precedent in saying 'its okay to RMT'.

Senex Legio
Sketchy Bob
Mother caking corp
#416 - 2014-08-19 19:12:38 UTC
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Sketchy Bob wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
If you don't like it, don't read it. Simple.


Is this the kind of attitude we can expect from the community manager going forward? Shouldn't the community manager at least to pretend to care about what the community thinks?

And I love how you opted to answer this among all the outstanding questions in this thread. You clearly have the communities best in mind.

Edit: The back pating post would be ok and well deserved. If there was any actual progress.

I hope so - it would be a return to days of old when the Dev's told the whiny brats off every once in awhile.

I salute our non-**** taking overlords.


Oh yes, customers should just shut up and pay their salary. Thank you for your input.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#417 - 2014-08-19 19:15:13 UTC
Sketchy Bob wrote:
Oh yes, customers should just shut up and pay their salary. Thank you for your input.
Customers like you probably should.

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iob ccuf azu
#418 - 2014-08-19 19:17:04 UTC
Im mad I dont have a plex selling website

How is it fair he can sell plex but no one else can because they dont have a website?

Maybe CCP can make him give his website to all EVE players then we can all split the profit and share it and slowly get rich together or they should ban him

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Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#419 - 2014-08-19 19:18:24 UTC
Sketchy Bob wrote:
Oh yes, customers should just shut up and pay their salary. Thank you for your input.

Yeah, sometimes the customer *isn't* right.

Sometimes the customer is a whiny, entitled brat and needs to be told to stfu for awhile. Every once in awhile (as with Dinsdale's whining) it's a good idea to prune the tree of entitlement.

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Sketchy Bob
Mother caking corp
#420 - 2014-08-19 19:20:21 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Sketchy Bob wrote:
Oh yes, customers should just shut up and pay their salary. Thank you for your input.
Customers like you probably should.


Great input.