Wormholes

Knight to C3.

Oh the pun. My sides.

No actually, CCP have listened to years of discussions and ideas/feedback and have made their move with Hyperion so it is your move now with what you do and then if the changes don't work out so well they will make further changes.

People that keep whining about the changes and they need to not be made need to realise CCP have spent dev time on this, they have had some serious thought about it and will implement these changes and see how they play out. I expect they will change a few of the spawn numbers downwards but they won't scrap these changes.

Sometihng has changed on sisi. My orca is landing 6-7 k off the wormhole instead of the 13k it landed off earlier.

edit: and then it went 12k off again hehe. Ignore this comment

Oh wonderful! Even better, we all love the chance of being fed as a sacrifice to the random number generator don't we?

There is NO place for blind luck in a wormhole, the single defining feature that makes life here possible, is that there are logical, consistent, repeatable mechanics and physics.

That is what has enabled us to create an exciting, thriving community in such complicated space. We learn the difficult and obscure mechanics and we overcome.

You cannot EVER overcome luck, you are either the beneficiary or the victim of the day!

Where is the challenge in that!

What satisfaction can be had when you are thrown a sacrifice, due to chance, not to your skills or tactics?

The Day that I defeat an opponent, due to random Computer created luck, and not through the balance of Abilities, skills, tactics, choices and knowledge of the game is the day that CCP forgets what has enabled this game to survive ten years.

One may as well put one's subscription in a slot machine.

There actually was a thread about spawn distance a few months ago. But it was about enabling kiting, not nerfing rolling.

It ain’t broke, stop fixing it. Please please please, don't screw up this mechanic and send this idea to the bin. Thank you CCP Fozzie.

This is better than it was. However, personally I believe many of the same problems are still present. The only real difference is the problems are chance based instead of persistent. There is still a large chance that caps will land outside of refit range which will still make it harder on small groups jumping in with capitals, there is also still a very large chance they will land far outside of jump range further reducing the use of carriers going triage on jump in.

I feel the problems can be negated and with the reasoning still being preserved by shifting to a timer-based change rather than a distance-based. It achieves the same goal and removes a lot of the problems people have with this change, and there is still a lot of risk with jumping.

Well that's obviously an attempt to pursue with the current plan while trying to gather some sort of conscience .
I'd say that things are less worse, but its nowhere near good or acceptable.

In addition to the common complaints about this very bad mecanic, there is another thing that bothers me A LOT:

EVE is supposed to be about your skillpoints and the knowledge you have as a player. This knowledge is supposed to help you make better decisions and adapt to the situation ahead.

Just like for the hacking minigame, there is no way to predict randomness. Just like when I click on the next node with no element to help me weight my decision (during a hack), I will click jump and I could appear either at jump range with my orca, or at death range. Without having no way of influencing that. This is so bad...

Now I can understand the issue with capitals vanishing away in the blink of an eye in the current gameplay. But thats a small issue (big WH fights usually involve lots of capital jumped-in in advance, not one capital that goes through a wormhole. We are not in Clarion Call 3).

Fixing a small issue this way is like killing a BUG with a frikin' CHAINSAW!! You'll do more harm to your surroundings than good.


Why would a defensless orca be too OP if it was able to jump back immediately after a jump? There is still the session change timer, the polarity, align time, bubble vulnerability... Risks are already high enough!

And even combat-capable capitals, in situation where very few people would engage them anyway, how would this change be any significant except for making chain collapsing even more a pain than it is currently. (Have you ever chain collapsed? My corp did, just once -for two days-, and it was already HELL. I don't even dare to imagine with the added travel time and risk.)

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Solution: (Because there is one)
You want to add an element of risk in combat situations? Fine. Make the distance bound to the weapons timer. Take the table you made in the devblog, every ship spawns at the minimum distance if no weapon timer. Then if there is a weapon timer, it appears at the max distance in proportion of the seconds remaining on the weapon timer (60sec = maximum, 30sec = between min and max, etc...).

Not only does it take away the dumb dumb dumb randomness that should not exist in EVE, allowing people to make informed choices, but it also gives an element of risk that is bound to fight situations. Without making even more a pain from what it is today, to chain-collapse.

That's not perfect, but that's as close as it can be to a good solution in my opinion.

Thanks for reading.

congratulations on NOT fixing the issue.
the problem isnt with the spawn distance, the problem is with the concept of spawning outside of jump range: we dont want it.
if you havnt figured it out yet then nothing new will make any difference so im done with this thread.

PS: i mean, if youre going to push through changes with such obvious and strong negative feedback anyway, why even bother putting up a feedback thread? its actually insulting