Wormholes

I have always said that i don't agree with the numbers given for this change but yes i do feel this change is a step in the right direction and CCP themselves have proven recently the will to make changes after the fact if things havn't worked out so well so i trust that they will jump in if things get dire as you all think will, i do not think it will come to that.

Sadly you need to consider the player economy though as that is probably 90% of why people come to WH space to begin with, but the state of farming in C5/6 space really needs a shakeup i hope you can agree on that part. (p.S i really don't think the majority will move out of C5/6 space at all, farmers will always adapt)

Now if that does get shaken up then you will be left with PVP entities in C5/6 space or at least PVP entities that do use their ISK to fund PVP within WH space and not the state we are in now where the great majority of the farmers use our space to fund their Null/LS PVP, that i can't abide with and that is why i support these changes.

I also don't think C4's will be a wasteland like the hysteria suggests, sure will it take a little longer to roll their unwanted connections? Yes and they will be at a touch more risk when doing so and may lose an extra BS or two but it really wont be the end of the world as they are calling it. CCP has already stated they are looking at the ISK income of WH sites so there will be extra incentive to take the extra risk that is given.

No change CCP can make will suit everyone 100% but man they needed to start somewhere because it isnt at all ideal the way it is.

why don't you drop the distance down to like 8-10km so that's its not to far to slow boat back. If you have a large t2 bubble on the hole you should still land in it and not be so hard to get back. So its no so bad, 16-20 k away from each other is a lot better then 40k.

Now THIS would make a Rorqual worth leaving the bubble for. Best idea for helping the Rorq I've seen yet, that does not make it OP/invulnerable.

To carry on from where I left off.

The mechanism is sound to increase risk for farmers. But the changes to K162's spawning only when jumped is more effective than this. There's so many times we roll our O477 and warp to it (average 6 AU or 30s), then have to wait for our mates to warp in (because, bookmarks take forever to update) and jump in to see...wrecks and cores on scan, the elusive bear gone to ground. or drones dumped at a grav site with a can, the hulks and orca gone back to POS for some hardcore AFK PVP.

That will cause more risk for farmers. That one thing.

This doesn't cause risk for farmers, unless the farmers catch the inbound hole and/or spot you on d-scan as you jump in to gank them, and then probe it down and decide to roll. They won't decide to roll, they'll decide to go AFK PVp you, with Mjolnir Boredom Fury Level 5, or Logout tank.

The problem, as said, is that the distances your high-mass, high-value ships spawn from the wormhole (or indeed, eg, a 100MN HIC or throwaway 100MN Stabber) is excessive.

If you take the median spawn distance and make it;
Frigate - 5km +/- 2.5 km
Cruiser - 6km +/- 3 km
BS - 8km +/- 4 km
Orca - 10km +/- 5 km
Capital - 15km +/- 7.5 km
...where the deviation is on a bell curve centred on the median (expressed as 2 sigma) then, 50% of the time Frigates spawn outside jump range and 50% inside jump range. Cruisers spawn outside jump range 65% of the time. BS spawn outside jump range 90% of the time and orcas spawn outside jump range 97.5% of the time. Capitals, always.

But at the other extreme, only 2.5% of the time do capitals spawn 22.5km away. Only 2.5% of the time do Orcas spawn 15km away, or BS 12km away or cruisers 9km or frigates 7.5km (like they do now).

That's a set of numbers which I feel is acceptable. Why?

For a start, worst case scenario, your BS and Orca are still out of unheated, non-faction scram range of a ship at zero on the hole. The BS can maybe MJD off if it is fast. The Orca is still within heated web range, which allows far easier webbing off by non-Rapier support.

As for the poor capitals, most of the time they are within web range. They are also, coincidentally, within capital rep range unless you are in a Nid and want to swap capacitor. But if you fly a Nid, you are used to being unable to do that, so you'll deal with it. Best case scenario, you are only 2.5km from safety.

And yes, half the distance from what is first proposed makes it faster. But if the difference in a 7 hour rageroll is 50 vs 80, then we are hardly arguing about anything except efficiency, which is irrelevant. What matters is safety, and being within cap rep range allows a modicum of safety if you go balls deep. You are unlikely to be in refit range, but that's fine.

Maybe so, although given what ive talked about with peeps, not many are really uber excited. We for one have already moved half our stuff from our C4 which gets new C5 static, so C4 to C4 and C5. no thanks.

Its still the same, more risk, same isk. Its kind of pointless to stay there, much better off in C5 or C2, safety and isk wise.

Winthorp is not the only one who likes the change.

As longer as i think about the more i like it. Acitvity in w-space sucks anyway. My 5 corp mates and i scan down nearly 50 to 100 wh systems a evening and in 2 to 3 systems we find something to shoot at. With the imcoming changes i estimate that we'll shoot nearly the same. Maybe little more maybe a little bit less.

Your post implied you were going to follow up with the community regarding the mass changes, and I, for one, would really like to see that. Whatever the answer is, I just want to know what we're in for. There are strong feelings on both sides, and I think we all deserve to know where you are at on this.

For those of you still concerned with this belief that the only way to find content will be by rolling your static, you may want to read this which I came across

http://collapsedbehind.blogspot.com/2014/08/setting-roots-on-fire-spoilers.html

or go do your own scanning on SISI now that the changes are in place. From these early reports, it appears that, as suspected, wormhole space is becoming significantly more organically connected even without additional connections from residents actually opening their statics (since those connections aren't likely to be opened on SISI).

If rolling your hole for protection or cap combat on the wormhole are the only activities really impacted by this change, then I have no major problem with it. If you can't support your rolling ships, then I really cannot muster much sympathy

And what about a WH spewing ships out at increasing distances by mass is "bad design". All I've heard so far is complaints about the mechanic because

1) It will increase rage rolling times
2) It will increase risk for those rolling holes for
a) Protection
b) Isolation
3) It will increase risk for those bringing cap ships to fight on a WH by dispersing fleets rendering many tactics unusable.

The first is addressed by the increased organic connections. Yes, you may still want to roll your hole but the chains you connect to should be sufficiently long that rage rolling as a necessity is a thing of the past. The second, don't care. Too bad, so sad. Protect your rolling ships, use different rolling ships, or you aren't sufficiently prepared to roll. The last is a valid concern that I hope can be addressed through modifications of the mechanic and not by scrapping it altogether. But I leave that discussion to those cap pilots and fleet commanders that know that style of combat far more than I would.

Also, direct statics from C4 to kspace? Is it ok?