Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The vaga's ROLE is to be fast. Thats where the stabber line was leading up to, the stabber is fast, but weak once caught. The vaga is the same way, except instead of 20k EHP, it gets around 35k EHP due to the resilient nature of HAC's w/ t2 resists. It can't brawl, and has a lame applied dps at point range.

If you look at the t1 lines, they all lead up to a similar counterpart with the t2 line with the same roles, they've just been improved (t2). Please read my earlier post where it outlines all this for you.

If you slow the vaga down, then the stabber would need to be slower (since you're changing their roles), at which point the ships would suck and no one would use them, or even less than they (vaga) are now. Consider this. Which t1 attack cruiser is the fastest? Caracal? no. Omen? no. Thorax? no. Stabber? yes. Which HAC is the fastest? Vagabond! Did you think that maybe, minmatar SPECIALIZE in speed and not tank? Have you ever fought a stabber? They aren't the most tanky of cruisers (relying on 2 tank slots normally for shield tanking). The vagabond is NOT resilient, good pilots just know to use its speed to mitigate damage. If you're stupid and approach someone, the vaga WILL die to just about any brawler.

Also, i don't see any other HAC that expects to tank with 1-2 slots. You're telling me the vaga is too strong with its 1-2 slot tank? Where as a sac has a resist bonus and up to 5 lows for a tank. Maybe you just need to get better and learn to counter it with long range weapons or having frigs in your gang.

Do you not remember the original vagabond, it had a 5% velocity bonus as one of its traits. They cooked that into the base ship stats after the buff and added shield boost bonus so that it was actually unique and could tank half-way decently. If that doesn't tell you the implied role CCP had for it, then i give up. You can continue living in your own little world.

EDIT: I would consider dropping shield boost bonus, if the vaga got an additional mid. And instead, giving another 10% fall-off bonus. Speed would remain the same though.

specialised at being resilient .. we asked for a clear role Rise gave us resilience and buffed sensor strength and cap on all HAC's ...

Do you even know how important the tracking bonus is on ishtar?
It will still be used yes but this nerf puts it into line with other hacs.

You do realize theres more to roles than speed right. zeal shines in fleet doctrines due to excellent projection and good tank. Deimos is slower because its one of the best brawlers.. if it got faster, it would be hard for people keep it from landing tackle. You seem to be tunnel visioned on speed and fail to see that each ship is specialized for a specific role.

Vaga - speed/kite
deimos - brawler
cerb - anti frig/support
zealot - anti-support, great projection/application

All other ships are tankier than vagabond, but slower. That to me seems like a logical way to balance ships. caldari have always had a bigger shield pool. Minmatar have always been faster. Do you not even know the lore?

you keep changing your argument when it suits you .. i was responding to your post about speed .. with a speed based post myself ... now your saying its not all about speed but something else...

brawling is not inherently slow.

If you get balance right, there is no OP in any given category. There is only right for that engagement.