Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I think the vagabond might have touched him in his no-no spot. Then he fails to understand minmatar lore and how their ships operate.

I don't think i saw that quote before, but cynabal is actually faster than vagabond with MWD on. Base speed, vaga is faster, but MWD on, cynabal is faster. Not sure how that works, maybe its a mass/agility thing? Or EFT bug, idk.

Then he mentions its faster than a stabber.. that gets me every time. In his world, t2 should be worse than t1 i guess.

The vaga's ROLE is to be fast. Thats where the stabber line was leading up to, the stabber is fast, but weak once caught. The vaga is the same way, except instead of 20k EHP, it gets around 35k EHP due to the resilient nature of HAC's w/ t2 resists. It can't brawl, and has a lame applied dps at point range.

If you look at the t1 lines, they all lead up to a similar counterpart with the t2 line with the same roles, they've just been improved (t2). Please read my earlier post where it outlines all this for you.

If you slow the vaga down, then the stabber would need to be slower (since you're changing their roles), at which point the ships would suck and no one would use them, or even less than they (vaga) are now. Consider this. Which t1 attack cruiser is the fastest? Caracal? no. Omen? no. Thorax? no. Stabber? yes. Which HAC is the fastest? Vagabond! Did you think that maybe, minmatar SPECIALIZE in speed and not tank? Have you ever fought a stabber? They aren't the most tanky of cruisers (relying on 2 tank slots normally for shield tanking). The vagabond is NOT resilient, good pilots just know to use its speed to mitigate damage. If you're stupid and approach someone, the vaga WILL die to just about any brawler.

Also, i don't see any other HAC that expects to tank with 1-2 slots. You're telling me the vaga is too strong with its 1-2 slot tank? Where as a sac has a resist bonus and up to 5 lows for a tank. Maybe you just need to get better and learn to counter it with long range weapons or having frigs in your gang.

Do you not remember the original vagabond, it had a 5% velocity bonus as one of its traits. They cooked that into the base ship stats after the buff and added shield boost bonus so that it was actually unique and could tank half-way decently. If that doesn't tell you the implied role CCP had for it, then i give up. You can continue living in your own little world.

EDIT: I would consider dropping shield boost bonus, if the vaga got an additional mid. And instead, giving another 10% fall-off bonus. Speed would remain the same though.

He did come back. The Ishtar bonus didn't change, but we got a look at HAC cargo (noticeably zealot) and oddly enough 100mn MWD cap need halved. So yes he did come back and discuss. Did he give you what you wanted? I'm gonna geuss not

he didn't update OP or make a specific thread for it, so I'll give you that. I'm really curious as to how the MWD change will affect battleships overall. I've wanted to get back into one for a while now.

That was a close one, they almost had a gallente ship that did what it should. glad they killed that...

Whilst you're not wrong, it's worth pointing out that if the DPS spikes enough, you can pop between cycles as you have a very small buffer to soak up a few good hits.

Pulse laser vgabond would be insane.....

Don't change the slot layout (shield tempests should be a thing) but change the role bonuses to one strong dps increase and falloff as well as a small further buff to speed - then finally we'll have a autocannon kity pest, which fits in well with it's attack BS role.

That is the obvious best solution. But I never dared to suggest it since CCP never follows the logical solutions. And frankly after 8 years trying.. I doubt we can make ccp to treat the tempest fairly on the same level they treated the hyperion.

needing 2 damage bonuses to still do less damage than almost all its peers seems a joke as well for the tempest. Tempest had an use when battleships warped as fast as cruisers. Now... nothing.